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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: While there is some information in the letter, if the Deputy is proposing that, then I think that is the direction to go.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: What is the question the Deputy proposes to put to the EPA?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Okay, there are two proposals. One, that the committee write to the Department with the questions-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, the DAA. We will write to the DAA with the question that Deputy McAuliffe proposed. However, I think that is a question that must go to the Department as well. That is who I had in mind. We can put it to the DAA and to the Department. Second, there is a proposal from Deputy Catherine Murphy that the committee write to the EPA around its oversight, role and involvement on this...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: It is probably a necessary evil.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: I remember reading the correspondence on it. It is on one of the aprons at Dublin Airport, as well. There must be a concentration of this contamination.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Okay, I thank the Deputy. On that point, from the Deputy's research, has that PFAS-free alternative been in use since 2013?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is good that another way has been found. I will now move on to category C correspondence, which is correspondence from private individuals and any other correspondence. No. 2431 is from the Moore Street Preservation Trust and is dated 28 February. It is in response to correspondence the committee received from the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage on the national...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: We have received apologies from Deputy O'Connor. We are joined by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr. Seamus McCarthy, who is a permanent witness to the committee. Members are reminded of the provisions of Standing Order 218 that a committee shall refrain from inquiring into the merits of a policy or policies of the Government or a Minister of the Government, or the merits of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Murphy has expressed my feelings and the feelings of other members.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: We discovered this on Tuesday. This is the situation we are in for now. We will have to contact the Department, the Minister and the Secretary General if there is a problem with getting engagement with IFI. Engagement has to happen and we will endeavour to have the organisation here as soon as possible.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: The committee is unanimous on this. We will endeavour to do so as quickly as possible. The public business before us this morning is as follows: minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. The first item of business is the minutes of our meetings of 27 and 29 February 2024, which have been circulated to members. Do members wish...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Do any members wish to come in on those?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: On the non-compliant procurement it is about 11% of the total non-pay spending. That is very high. Non-pay expenditure is €225 million. Non-compliant procurement is €26.4 million. What is the status of Beaumont hospital? Is it a voluntary hospital? Where is it in the hospital system?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Of those five, if we accept that in a hospital there will be some procurement that will not be tendered because of specialties or the special nature of the goods or services that they are getting, or timelines etc., would that 11% non-compliance be excessive?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: What would it normally be?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: It is there or thereabouts, around 11% of non-pay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: We should follow up on that. Not to take away from the fact that in a hospital, by its nature, there will be a significant portion of goods that will not go through the normal procurement, but we should follow up with that. Do any other members wish to come in on the accounts and financial statements?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Do we know how many people, how many staff-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Could I make a suggestion? It seems Mr. McCarthy is saying is that from memory there are five individuals at senior level in the hospital involved in the overpayments. So, to draw this together-----

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