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Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
(13 Jun 2024)

Cormac Devlin: Yes, indeed.

Ceisteanna - Questions: Departmental Programmes (12 Jun 2024)

Cormac Devlin: I know we are dealing with questions to the Taoiseach but Deputy Barry, who is next, might inform the House what happened to his finger. That is a pretty big bandage he is sporting. I know postering is dangerous but-----

Message from Select Committee (12 Jun 2024)

Cormac Devlin: The Select Committee on Health has completed its consideration of the Health (Miscellaneous Provisions) (No. 2) Bill 2024 and has made no amendments thereto.

Ceisteanna - Questions: Departmental Programmes (12 Jun 2024)

Cormac Devlin: I ask Members to note the remaining time for this slot. We have a little more than 13 minutes. I ask them to keep to a minute apiece to give time to the Taoiseach to respond.

Ceisteanna - Questions: Cabinet Committees (12 Jun 2024)

Cormac Devlin: The Taoiseach addressed that point. It was one line and the Deputy missed it.

Ceisteanna - Questions: Middle East (12 Jun 2024)

Cormac Devlin: Deputy Haughey has two questions in this grouping. Will he take them together?

Message from Select Committee (12 Jun 2024)

Cormac Devlin: The Select Committee on Justice has completed its detailed scrutiny of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons (Amendment) Bill 2021 and, in accordance with Standing Order 178, has recommended that, for the reasons outlined in its report, the Bill should proceed to Committee Stage.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: I welcome back our witnesses this morning and thank them for the information they have supplied. Things have progressed since our most recent engagement. It is clear from the imagery the board has supplied and from our site visit that things have substantially progressed, which is good to see, but so too have the costs and so too has the timeline. I will take the Cathaoirleach's last...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: In a nutshell, would Mr. Gunning agree that the State is in a true bind here, contract or no contract? Whatever about elements and clauses of the contract, and repercussions of elements not being adhered to in the contract, the State is at the behest of BAM in order to finish this project out. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: No, I appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: I will explain what I am trying to say. When we are sitting here at the Committee of Public Accounts in February 2025, Mr. Gunning might come before us again to say that BAM has now told the board that it will be June 2025 or December 2025 before this is substantially complete. It does not matter when or what year for the purposes of the point I am making. Is Mr. Gunning really telling us...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: That is the crux of the position. I know.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: In an ideal world, it would be someone from BAM sitting in Mr. Gunning’s seat. I am sure Mr. Gunning would love if someone from BAM were sitting in his seat, just as we would prefer to have someone from BAM in here. From what I am hearing - we also heard this at our previous engagement, as colleagues said earlier - the number of staff who have been allocated to this project has...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: I appreciate that but the costs when this hospital was first mooted are unrecognisable from what they are today. I understand that there are physical changes - we saw this when we were on site - and I accept that needs in the design have changed as well. Mr. Devine made the point earlier about the 23,000 new drawings and so on. I appreciate that things change. Anyone who has been involved...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: We wish you well with that. We hope not to be in this position again with further increases. I have another question for Mr. Gunning. His opening statement referred to the fact that the board is co-ordinating the 52-bedroom Ronald McDonald House. How does that fit into the project? It is obviously a not-for-profit building and organisation. It is not incorporated into the actual physical...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: It is not as big as some of the others.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: Am I right in saying that there is underground connectivity between the hospital and the house itself?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: Would I also be right in saying that there are approximately 600 car parking spaces allocated at the children’s hospital and the families in those 52 units will be able to avail of car parking spaces?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: Yes and it is essential. I am aware of the house and of the necessity of those facilities but I just wanted to see how it linked in. Mr. Gunning has explained that BAM did the underground work, which would tie in the State but the State has also invested €18 million or thereabouts in the project.

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