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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: We have often heard what Norway gets in the negotiations from the European Union side. What does the European Union get from Norway on that side of the negotiation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: Absolutely.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: We have often heard commentary that they make up their own quotas or the quotas are quite fluid in Norway. There is scientific evidence on how we control our stocks. Is there ever a concern about making sure we are not in a scenario where we could be overfishing with the potential that Norway may be involved in changing its own numbers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: Ms O'Sullivan is basically saying that the scientific evidence we base our quotas on is not being adhered to by Iceland or Norway.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: In Ms McSherry's contribution, she mentioned an additional €3 million annually for the Irish fisher. That relates to the additional mackerel quota. Will she inform us what tonnage that has regard to? How can we get an idea of the tonnage in the quota?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: Okay, I was just trying to put it in tonnes. I am very conscious that I am caught for time. My last question is slightly off-topic. I apologise for that and, if the witnesses do not have the answer, that is very fair. On our national policy regarding landing fish, we have a national policy regarding fish but, to some degree, you can land the fish wherever you want. You can go to Norway...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: No, I am talking about Irish vessels.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: Are we talking about Norway, Northern Ireland and the UK?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: The vote in the Dáil has finished and I would say other members will be back shortly. Senator Paul Daly has indicated that he wants to speak. No, he does not want to speak on this issue yet.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: That is slightly outside of the agenda. The witnesses do not have to answer if they do not want to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: That is fair enough. I apologise, there is another vote. Unfortunately, we will have to suspend for a period of time until we have a quorum again. There is another vote in the Dáil.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: All of the members present have asked questions. I thank the witnesses for attending. They were very helpful and clarified many issues for the committee. We will now suspend briefly before inviting the next group of witnesses to appear before the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: We will now hear from the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine on COM (2023) 416. I welcome both witnesses. I will start by reading the note on privilege. Witnesses giving evidence from within the parliamentary precincts are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they give to the committee. This means that a witness has full defence against any defamation...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: Can we go around to more contributors? I will then come back to Deputy Fitzmaurice.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: I have a few questions of my own and maybe other members will arrive after the vote in the Dáil. I compliment the witnesses on the presentation they gave. This matter was sent to the Joint Committee on Environment and Climate Action, which is the lead committee in this regard. Is the Department of agriculture the lead negotiator on this issue with the Commission? Are Mr. Medlycott...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: How many are involved in the team dealing with this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: A fear we have is when there are multiple Departments involved in a legislative proposal. We had the water framework directive, which started in 1991 and was led by the Department of Housing. It had a huge impact on the agriculture industry through the nitrates action plan. There is, therefore, a fear for committees like ours and the communities we represent about having multiple...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: In that case, Mr. Ryan might explain to me his comment regarding the single farm payment and how those practices are affected. I am trying to work out what implications this will have for the individual farmer. If we are taking an entire district into consideration, are we going to have individual farms judged based on the district and how they need to change farming practices or how is it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: I appreciate that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (24 Jan 2024)

Tim Lombard: Some of this will come down to the member state as well and how it implements the regulation. Have the officials thought about who will be taking the samples and what body will be responsible for the taking of samples? Are they looking at Teagasc, the EPA, the Department of the environment or their own Department? What entity do they believe will be making that report to the Commission?...

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