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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I may be wrong but I believe point b) has regard to how the Department or migration officials look at the application where nothing is put forward by the applicant deeming a country safe or otherwise. As a result, there would be an automatic rejection.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: That is because it is on the list. However, where the applicant puts something forward that says otherwise, it is considered differently. It is deemed to be a safe country where there is no evidence to the contrary.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: He or she is then given the same process as anybody else seeking asylum on those grounds.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I am not sure what the Cathaoirleach is saying. Is he saying that point b) should not be there on the basis that a country is either a safe country or it is not?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: That is my interpretation.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I am just not sure what the Cathaoirleach is asking.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: Is the Chair asking that the Department remove it or clarify it on the basis that it is too broad and that we allow applicants from safe countries-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: For what it is worth, I have no difficulty with what it means.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: It means that there are exceptions but that those exceptions will be examined in the same way as with all other applications from non-safe countries.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I believe it is just that one rule does not fit all and that, in this case, there can be certain instances where it does not. It depends. It could be based on your religion, your sexual orientation or things like that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: If it moves us on, I would say the Chair should just ask for clarity but I am happy with what is there.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I would interpret it as coming under that same section. I imagine if there are regional issues, that is where you would stipulate where the issue is. That is where the opportunity arises.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: Is that a misprint? Should it be "million" or is it "billion"?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I question the €3.8 billion.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: Perhaps the Comptroller and Auditor General could clarify that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: Is there an appendix to that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: The OPW will be of interest with regard to those questions when it comes before us.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: We might also discuss the conversion of the Oireachtas Library to a committee room, given there is no planning permission and it is listed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: No, I am not a member. I was a proxy member for the day, just for that meeting, but that is all.

Childcare: Motion [Private Members] (18 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: The motion was brought forward in good faith but I do not think it will solve our problem. I do not doubt the Minister's bone fides in what he is trying to do but, unfortunately, it is ineffective. We have a cross-section of private and public childcare. Some 74% of our childcare is catered for in the private sector and 26% is in the public sector. They are not a million miles apart in...

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