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Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: Thank you, a Chathaoirligh. On a point of order, and I thank you for your indulgence, but I indicated that I hoped to table an amendment on Report Stage regarding the previous matter to take account of the discussion and other changes that were not discussed during the proceedings, for example, the need to include students. Am I in a position to table that amendment?

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I do not think the Leader is objecting.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of order, and I may be wrong, I thought Senator Buttimer had indicated he was not opposing the withdrawal.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: Under Standing Order 62(3)(b) I request that the division be taken again other than by electronic means.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I am agreeing to proceed-----

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: -----but this is something on which I will want to take legal advice. To be honest, I do not understand why this has happened or what it all means.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I move amendment No. 50:In page 15, to delete lines 13 to 16.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I move amendment No. 51:In page 51, line 25, to delete "2011." and substitute the following:"2011; "pharmacist" means a person whose name is for the time being registered in the register of pharmacists established under section 13 of the Pharmacy Act 2007.".

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: We did not get to discuss the need for persons who are students, be it of medicine or other disciplines------

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I move amendment No. 52:In page 15, between lines 25 and 26, to insert the following:“ “medical practitioner” means a medical practitioner who is for the time being registered in the register or a person who is studying or training to qualify or work as a medical practitioner.”. I am anxious to ensure this issue will be deemed to have arisen from proceedings on...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: Almost since the dawn of human civilisation, the remains of deceased members of society have been treated with dignity and buried or cremated in a dignified and respectful fashion. We see that in how our ancestors on this island buried their dead in the Neolithic Age and Bronze Age periods. We see it in the works of the great writers of the Greek and Roman civilisations, for example,...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I am speaking to subsection (7) in the amendment which would prohibit the sale of body parts. I was just about to refer to what Mr. Winter referred to as the case of Professor Leonard Hayflick and how at a certain point in 1962, following a legal abortion at a Swedish hospital, the lungs from a female foetus were flown from Stockholm to his laboratory. From them, he established the strain...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: It is quite remarkable that the Minister who is bringing about the tragic disrespect for human life encompassed by abortion finds offensive referring to abortion as a situation where a child is not let live. I consider it to be a euphemistic description of what happens in cases of abortion. I have questioned the honesty of the approach taken by the Government and also question whether it is...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I will withdraw the amendment and resubmit it.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I move amendment No. 3:In page 8, lines 17 and 18, to delete “without extraordinary life-sustaining measures” and substitute “if given all practicable treatment and assistance for the purpose of ensuring her or his survival”. By way of a prefacing remark, which will hopefully help to save a lot of time later, this is a very difficult and tragic situation for...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: Go raibh maith agat, a Chathaoirligh.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I have absolutely no objection at all to what the Cathaoirleach said. I thank him for that. As I said, it was to say something that would avoid something being unnecessarily repeated ad nauseamlater on. I had not actually spoken to amendment No. 15. I know the Minister gave his reply already, but I must disagree with him very strongly on this one. We need to read this amendment to section...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: Senator Higgins is correct.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: Senator Higgins was quite correct in referring to "immediately necessary". The key questions, however, are who forms that view and in what context? We need to be clear.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: We are in a new constitutional situation where the constitutional right to life of the unborn has been removed. That means that any obligation on treating doctors to take the unborn child's life into account in making clinical decisions regarding the women's care has changed.That obligation is now lessened under the Constitution, which means, if we are sincere about protecting unborn...

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