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Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: I welcome the witnesses. It is good to see them in person. Comhghairdeas le Tony. I will start with the 81% absorption rate. This State is way above the 67% average. Will Mr. Murphy explain why that is not closer to 100%, what the outworkings of that are, or where does the 19% go?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Anyone who has been involved in any of the peace programmes will know that it always ends up being extended. Is that what we are dealing with?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Does Mr. Murphy think it will be spent within that period?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: People are good at spending money.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Does that ever fall into the fraud section?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Outside of that, is some of this maladministration or what is it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: I imagine there is not a huge amount of that with this State.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Mr. Murphy was talking about corporation tax. Why was that laid down as criteria? Was it specifically in relation to the RRF?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: It was with them. It was just that obviously, somebody was not paying a lot of attention and assumed this would get sorted. However, there were going to be huge difficulties dealing with this. Everybody knew that whatever about what has happened in the world since, there were issues even with regard to America coming on board.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: No, I accept that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: It is just someone being a bit more careful in relation to criteria, so you are not stringing yourself up. Turning to the fraud, how exactly does it work when the Court sends it to OLAF and EPPO? What is the timeline? I think this is the same as I asked before. Where do the majority of these cases arise?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Out of that 750?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: When talking about 43, then some of those are obviously legacy cases.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Once it has been caught by the court, it is up to them to carry out an investigation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: They are looking at a couple of big tranches of money in some of the cases. It is still a significant number that gets sent over but I imagine some of that is due diligence. Not all of them are necessarily cases of fraud.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Mr. Murphy is hardly going to get into the detail of some of the reports and the work that is laid ahead. In the context we are currently in, you see the stuff in relation to the energy union and it obviously has a significant amount of importance. However, some of those reports relating to long-term unemployment and whatever, what sort of digging down is done across the European Union and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: It is literally looking at what European schemes are meant to address this, rather than a general report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: If talking about support of SMEs or whatever, would that be checking whether the European Regional Development Fund is check-listing good, bad or indifferent?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: European Court of Auditors: Discussion (23 Nov 2022)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Is there nothing wondrous to be said regarding the energy union?

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