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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: If Mr. McPartlan could answer the question on the green diesel and kerosene, I would be much obliged because I am at a loss as to what happened there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Chairman, with all due respect, we need answers. There was always a 65 cent difference, no matter what-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: No, I am not. I am talking about all companies. This is not new news. This was right around Ireland-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Wait one second. I have outlined another scenario that happened in Ireland during that crazy two weeks. First, as Mr. McPartlan said earlier, supplies were rationed. In the first week, the drivers of lorries were told that the price would be €800 to €830 for kerosene for home heating. That went up to €1,000 for 500 litres, which is €2 per litre. Green diesel...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I am not saying that it was. I am talking about the 65 cent difference that should always be there. At €2, if one adds 65 cent, then it should be €2.65 but it never went above €2.25. There is something wrong-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It is excise. That is the difference between white diesel and green diesel. Is that not right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It could not be reflective of that because Mr. McPartlan said earlier that NORA released it at the market price-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I ask the witnesses to give me some quick-fire answers back. Mr. Kenny spoke about hydrogen. When is it coming?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Let us call a spade a spade. A bus with hydrogen costs €800,000. I went through the -----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It is €22 per kilogram. BOC does not even have the machinery. It can go as far as 17 kg; it needs to go to 28 kg. I think that we are dreaming dreams if we are on about hydrogen.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It is about 20 years away.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Let us deal with the crisis we are in at the moment. That is 20 years away.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Bus men do not get VAT back, is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I am a contractor. Most lorry men are registered for VAT. Would making VAT reclaimable for bus men be a solution?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: The Chairman might take note of that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Does Mr. Drennan know what percentage of trucks now have switched to Euro 6 standard engines?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: How long would it take to get more of them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Right. I have two questions for the hauliers and the bus men. Some companies did deals for a surcharge, as we called it in building years ago. There was something called a surcharge which clicked in over a certain level. Some companies have done it at €1.30 at the moment. Would it not be a simpler solution that we would have a system where there is a level playing field across the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: There are 42,000 lorries on the road and 20,000 of those cannot get the rebate or €100 a week. If I own a mill and I bring the meal to a farmer, I cannot get it because I do not need a haulage licence because I am hauling my own goods. If I own a quarry and am bringing it down, I cannot get it. They should be included in it. Is Mr. Flynn from an English company or what is the set-up?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Fuel Prices: Discussion (23 Mar 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Is it training it does?

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