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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: No doubt, there will be another review and the old set piece, systemic and cultural failure will be-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I must talk about last week's meeting. I do not like to be in conflict with the Chairman, who is very fair and very good to us all. His is a difficult job at times. I got an opportunity last week to mention that I needed to raise this matter with the Chairman before the meeting. I put a series of questions on the record that were relevant to the Irish Prison Service. Off the record, I...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I am not satisfied, for a couple of reasons. There is no issue with sending the transcript to the Garda and, in fact, I support it. That has nothing to do with it. The issue of a witness being told to stop giving evidence for fear of having qualified privilege only is also a separate issue. On three occasions, however, the Chairman stated I was acting alone, not as a member of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I think the Chairman was wrong in that regard. He stated there may have been criminality, which is true, but the committee's line authority in this instance is the Accounting Officer of the Prison Service. That is the equivalent of a Secretary General in this matter. The Chairman's actions have given abdication to the people who respond to us to look into matters. It may well be there are...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: To conclude, I must express regret. It totally undermines my position as a committee member. I am sorry that is the case. I will take advice as to what I will do next. I hate the idea of having any conflict with the Chair but I think he is wrong on this and I have outlined why.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Of course, but what if they were valid?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The Chairman is attesting to the validity of the questions by giving them to the Garda and choosing not to give them to the Accounting Officer.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That makes a mockery of what we do in here. Anytime there is any act that potentially is a criminal breach which may be discussed or touched upon here, the Chair is going to have to make the same ruling. That is not fair to members. The transcript from last week is very specific. It is saying that MacSharry is out there on his own, he is not representative of the committee, he is not...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Was there legal advice on this?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Was there any advice from the clerk to the committee or others?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Was this during the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Can the Chairman share the advice?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: This was after I was thrown under the bus.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: In fairness-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I will not just come to meetings to make up the numbers. Most people know that much research goes into my questions, as is the case with other members. I am a pretty good attender.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: To be told that after the fact is my point. If I felt the Garda was the appropriate forum to write to, I would have done that. I could then have saved us all three or four hours here last week. I am on this committee. It is the appropriate place. The Accounting Officer was here. All of these matters were relevant to loss of money potentially to the State. Did the advice come in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Can it be read out or provided to me?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Can it be provided to me?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Legal advice would not have to be dealt with that way.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The staff are not necessarily identifiable. As these matters play out in the public domain, I am anxious that the advice be in the public domain. I also asked last week that I would get in writing an account of what gave the-----

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