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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Freedom of Information Bill 2013: Committee Stage (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: Is there a schedule for the grouping of amendments?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Freedom of Information Bill 2013: Committee Stage (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: I have a problem with the schedule as presented to us. Amendment No. 8 in my name deals with the new public body Irish Water. It is a major new semi-State company that will affect every householder in Ireland. The Minister's intention is to exclude this company from the provisions of freedom of information legislation and I tabled amendment No. 8 to deal specifically with that issue. I...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Select Sub-Committee (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: I have listened to what the Minister has said. Funnily, I was in the House when the alleged butchering of FOI legislation took place and fees were introduced. Later in the debate no doubt I will quote what various members of the Minister's party said about the matter at the time, but he now seems to agree that it was right. He has come around to the point of view that it is right to have...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Select Sub-Committee (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: I said "the Minister at that time" was given the script by his officials stating "we have to introduce these fees because some people are asking outrageous, egregious, repetitive and vexatious questions and we must stamp it out". It sounds to me like that the same official has written the Minister's script, or it was written by somebody well tutored by the same official. That is the gist of...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Select Sub-Committee (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: -----and the HR department."

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Select Sub-Committee (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: This is the way officials in the public service will interpret the legislation, that a request can cover a couple of Departments. What we have here are some bad cases where people tried to save €60. Is the Minister here today to talk about saving €60 or getting an extra €60 from a journalist? Is that the essence of his amendment? He is making the case why somebody...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Select Sub-Committee (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: If we pass this provision, how much extra will the Minister get from the double or treble charging of the €15 fee? He might make an extra €100 in the year in a Department, but it will cost ten times that amount to process and segregate the information requests. What we are doing is utterly trivial on the basis of a few specific cases. There are 10,000 FOI requests every year....

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Business of Select Sub-Committee (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: I want to join with those sentiments. It has been portrayed and accepted by many that this Bill was going to undo the introduction of fees that was contained in the amendment of the fees some years ago. However, the new section not only copper-fastens most of the application fees, it introduces a new range of application fees whereby one request can result in an organisation deciding that...

Written Answers — Department of Health: Symphysiotomy Report (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: 486. To ask the Minister for Health the progress that has been made in dealing with the persons who had symphysiotomy procedures in hospitals here; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [48273/13]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Health Services Staff Issues (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: 464. To ask the Minister for Health his views on whether there is an excess of administrative staff within the Health Service Executive; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [42495/13]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Home Care Packages (12 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: 482. To ask the Minister for Health when a suitable home care package will be provided in respect of a person (details supplied) in County Kildare; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [48236/13]

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (7 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: Good.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (7 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: I understand that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (7 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: That is the point. Mr. Carrigan has answered my question. As he stated, under existing law, the term is "the due process of law". From what I heard from him, this process is not proposing any new laws at all.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (7 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: Is there a section requiring states to pass new legislation? The lesson we learned is that under current legislation nobody seemed to be guilty of anything and yet some of the banks cost a great deal to bail out. It was a foregone conclusion to tell them that they were losing their jobs. I do not see anything in it about losing their salaries or future entitlements from the bank, or their...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (7 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: Do the officials follow my train of thought?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (7 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: Five per cent of what?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (7 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: Is there no new legislation proposed to deal with it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (7 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Dempsey mentioned the owners and shareholders taking losses. They all took a 100% loss on the Irish banks as well but it was not enough. They all lost. For anyone who had shares at €15 or €16, these were ending up at 11 cent. That was a complete loss as well. There is nothing new in shareholders taking a loss in a resolution situation. It is late and I will leave it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (7 Nov 2013)

Seán Fleming: That sounds to me as if an arrangement has been put in place to prevent what went wrong the last time from happening again. Inevitably, the next crisis, if there is to be one, will be different and will not be a recurrence of what happened the last time. It is like a house that went on fire for which one puts in place a system to prevent what happened the last time from happening again but...

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