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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Instead of them having to apply for brand-new licences here they will be able to exchange their licences for EU licences.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Does Mr. Walsh have a timeline on this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That is great. I thank Mr. Walsh. I want to make another small point. I received an email from the car rental sector. I know it was dealing with Applus. It was offered an overnight testing centre in Northpoint for an extra €44 on top of the NCT fee. It is making the points that the additional cost is unreasonable and that as the car rental sector is clearly based all over the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I received that email in the past day. I am not saying it is right but I am just saying it was in the email.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I appreciate if Applus is doing the sector a favour and that if the testing is in the middle of the night, there could be a night-time premium.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It always got rid of cars after a year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I ask that one of the takeaways from this is that Applus engages further with the sector.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: A request I have is that Applus might look at its website. A company's website should be the easiest thing to interact with. I will put on record that I had one of the famous paper driver licences until last Christmas. I was one of the last people to have one. I applied on Friday and I had it the following Thursday. I had the confirmation that it was all okay. Generally, automated...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: With Applus's system at present, to get a better outcome people have to phone a call centre and engage with people who put them on a list. The automated system should be the preferred route and the cheaper route from the point of view of Applus. It does not appear to be that way.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The passport online service transformed the process for people. Motor tax online, which has been in place for a long time, transformed people's experience.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The old days of queueing in motor tax offices for hours and taking tickets and hanging around was changed overnight. The passport online system, for people who qualify to use it, is fantastic. There is a lot more that Applus could do with its system to improve it. I am not saying it is bad but it could be a lot better.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I take that. Ultimately, Applus thinks that a staffing of 610 or thereabouts is fine long term once the backlog is cleared.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I ask Applus to have a look at this. Senator Craughwell asked me to mention Councillor Paddy McQuillan with regard to the centre in Drogheda. I am not sure whether it is an NCT centre or a driving test centre.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: He has had his mention, along with Councillors Nicholas Crossan and Seamie Moore who were also mentioned earlier. I will mention them again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Be careful what you wish for.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We had this discussion as well. I think Deputy Ó Murchú may have been out of the room. We discussed the point that the RSA is looking-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It has applied for temporary posts but really needs permanent posts.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Perfect. We have a small window. It appears to me that we have the guts of approximately 135,000 car owners who do not appear to be that bothered about their NCT being out of date. I am looking at the 375,000 vehicles, which is 170,000 above normal. Some 42,000 vehicles have been tested, 204,000 vehicles have a booking, that is approximately 250,000 vehicles. There are approximately...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Okay. That probably is a flaw in the maths of it, in that it never looks as though a vehicle is more than 21 months out but if this is true, the vehicle might not have been tested since 2015. I am asking Applus to do a deeper delve into its system and say that there are cars on the national database, presumably motor taxed-----

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