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Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: I would like to continue to discuss the particular issues raised with regard to France. Is the main part of this related to France protecting its industry? A certain part of it is because it wants to force movement to rail from an environmental point of view. Obviously, this will not suit with regard to a significant amount of what we are speaking about. Are these the main reasons? Mr....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: You are not putting out anyone's lights out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: How do we get this issue moved on?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: It has gone to Paris.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: It is with the central government.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: In fairness, it was designed without taking this into account.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: It was introduced to deal with a particular problem.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Mr. Nolan is not speaking about big players numbers-wise.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: No, but it is a solution and eventually we will get to that point. Will the Irish Road Haulage Association representatives state explicitly what exactly they are speaking about? On some level they are almost dealing with the island of Ireland being treated in the same way as how the North is being treated. We all get the idea of streamlining health certificates and whatever sanitary checks...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: This is not the first time the IRHA has brought up this issue. What has the engagement been at governmental level and, beyond that, at European level? I imagine there is an element of fear and trepidation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: The IRHA had always said that, and it said that it completely changed the means by which goods came into Ireland in the sense that, even when hauliers from Europe would have come here, collections would have been made in Britain, where, let us say, of that 100%, 10% was for Ireland. That was being got at a cheaper rate so it was collected in Britain and, to a degree, that system worked....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Mr. Drennan was clear on that. I think we would need a submission from the IRHA on the specifics as to what it is looking for. There might be a need to do a piece of work on that. I can see, as I said, certain caveats in this regard, but we are all into streamlining, wherever it happens, that makes business easier. The other point Mr. Drennan made-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: I will finish up. In the steel tariffs scenario - and on some levels the IRHA is proposing a workaround in respect of the set of circumstances - a company in the North buys in steel and does not have the tariff difficulties. It has the preferable VAT rate etc., so it lands there, and then, if someone from the South goes to buy that steel-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: That is it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: That is it. Mr. Nolan is not under any-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: There is no need-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: -----and I imagine that at that point they probably will be dealt with.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: These are the anomalies and the difficulties created by the fact that we have two states on one very small island.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: I always have more questions but I feel I am-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Impact of Brexit on Ireland: Discussion (1 Mar 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: That is 100%. The Irish Road Haulage Association has sought technological solutions for various issues. We all know Brexit was a terrible idea. We know the Irish protocol was a mitigation and so is the Windsor Framework. I would not be facetious if I said one obvious solution to deal with the island of Ireland would be to end partition but I do not think we can deliver that in the next...

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