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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: No. There is a history in that the Minister of State's senior Minister did the same to us a month ago.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I understand that.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: It would take only two minutes before or after an item of business at another meeting.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I would be happy with seven days.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Is that in order? Can we defer completion of our consideration of a motion? When is the deadline for reporting to the Dáil?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Is it possible for this committee to complete its consideration today but withhold the sending of the message until 19 February?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I accept the Chairman’s good faith on this.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Does the Chairman understand where I am coming from? I was codded once before.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Exactly.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: It is significant in some of the line Departments.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: It is 1% surrender and 3% carry forward.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Exactly. I have two technical questions before I move on to my substantive question. In the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport there is a carry-forward of €1.8 million for a payment for the SAR helicopter contract. There is a related question in respect of the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, as shown on page 9 of the notes received. On page 10...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I understand that because it includes mortgages.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I know it is detailed but it just-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Yes. The detailed question is on the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government. More than half of the carry-forward of €132, some €72 million, comes from the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government. I think my figures are correct. The appropriation account for 2012 was a total of €107 million and again, more than €43...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I am only guessing.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: In respect of the projects which were not completed under the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, due to a slowdown, will the Minister of State supply the list to the committee? I am sure the Chairman and members of the committee would like to raise the issue with Irish Water to ensure it does those works that should have been done in 2013.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: We can only ask the Minister of State; we cannot ask the Department.

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