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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is not year to date. So now it is really non-payment that equates to €86 million annually.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is going to grow. I heard Mr. Bakhurst say that he does not believe that RTÉ is insolvent.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Does he believe it will be insolvent this time next year?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Well, if this trend continues.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: When is the cut-off point for receiving that funding? When is the deadline?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Early spring next year.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: If you do not get it, do you believe RTÉ will be insolvent?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Pardon?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Did you say "Yes", that you do believe if you do not get the funding-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Okay. That is worrying. It is needed by spring next year.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is, yes. I am going to move on. You discussed documents with the Chair earlier. I have one more question that really requires binary and concise answers. The issue of the €150,000 was discussed at this committee with Mr. Tubridy. Has RTÉ received that money back?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Okay. Does RTÉ intend to recoup that money?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Yes, there is a moral imperative. That is what brings me to the initial discussion. You believe that Ryan Tubridy has a moral imperative to return the €150,000. We requested extensive documentation, and I do not discount that. There were hundreds pages in the request. Of the 61 documents that were requested, 24 pieces were partially responded to. As the Chair mentioned earlier,...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: I think that is kind of contradictory.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Let me tell you what you said. It is taken from a report that was published after you appeared in front of the media committee. You said: "We will continue to explore how we can cut costs and maximise funding of our public services through commercial revenue, whilst also working hard to restore trust in RTÉ." I put it to you that there cannot be any restoration of trust where you are...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: If I could finish.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: If I could just finish. It indicates, and the perception is, that you have something to hide and something is awry. The very statement that you made referenced restoring trust in RTÉ. There is nothing I would like more than that, but your actions do not reflect your words. That is understood and the public's perception is that you have something to hide. Is it not-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is it not better to waive privilege and give confidence to the words that you utter day in, day out - not just here but in the media, and I am reading them every day - by releasing the documents? Your moral compass or obligation to the public would be fulfilled in releasing those documents. We can compel RTÉ to provide them.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: You do not need to apologise. I think when you look back at this committee, even you will find that those words are really empty and meaningless. I think everybody else understands that. It is just-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Well, the public-----

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