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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Again, I do not know. Could Professor Kilcommins tell us where the process, as outlined at the previous committee meeting and in all the reports, failed, thereby bringing us to this point?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Framed by whom?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Who else in addition to the chief corporate officer?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Was that revisited at any point? It was framed in that regard and I understand it was passed to move to the next level. It was accepted as a proposal.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: For that sequence of events to have occurred, there had to be a misrepresentation of what had occurred prior to moving to the next step. If Professor Kilcommins is saying it was suggested that there should be further discussion, it indicates nothing was agreed and that it was to be revisited. However, Professor Kilcommins is telling me it went to the next step, to the governing authority,...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: After the governing authority meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: That is my point. There had to be some misrepresentation, such that what has been alluded to was not minuted and that the matter proceeded to the governing authority without being revisited. Maybe Professor Kilcommins is not aware of whether it was minuted in that regard.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Out of how many?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Who convened the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Would it have been normal for the president not to be present or not to convene the meeting herself?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I would imagine that nothing was progressed in this way ever, never mind in UL, to be honest. I do not have much time, so I want to come back to the HEA on this. I understand what Dr. Wall has said about the approving authority being UL. At some level, the HEA must have been aware of this transaction.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Is that because the HEA did not inquire?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: What is the stance on those assurances now?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Dr. Wall will have heard the expression about closing the door when the horse has gone.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: Dr. Wall does not accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: I thank the Chair. My time is up.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: A red flag was raised in August 2022.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: We are dealing with taxpayers' money, or Dr. Wall is.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: The flag was raised when the Dunnes site was purchased. It looks like the HEA took its eye off the ball.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: What was the oversight?

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