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Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Flood Risk Management (11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: In fairness, I think everything has been done by the Department. As the Minister of State outlined, the matter comes under the remit of Cork City Council. We must make sure that a timely decision is made by the council to award the contract and that the person who gets it accepts it in a timely manner in order that we will not have to go back out to tender at a later stage. This is a vital...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: I apologise for not being present for the presentation. I was in the Dáil, dealing with questions to the Minister. I would like to deal with the issue of the pending legal proceedings in respect of the refund of the figure of €22 million or €23 million. Where are those proceedings held? Are they in Ireland or are they outside of Ireland's jurisdiction?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: They are involved in the Chinese legal system.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: Is it the case that we have someone employed in China who is dealing with this?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: In relation to the legal process, what stage is it at? Are we, for example, six months, 12 months or two years away from hearing about it? What is the process there? It is obviously a totally different legal system from ours.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: I have another question about the legal proceedings. Is it the case that there are people here in the legal system in Ireland who have a connection with China? I presume that it is.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: Another issue relating to the legal proceedings is that it is fine to get a court order or whatever the process in China is, but there is also the matter of collecting. Has that been analysed in regard to whether or not it is feasible? If there were an order at further recovery would that be deliverable on at the end of the day?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: I fully accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: It is the case, then, that for €500,000 in expenditure, we got back €30 million of what we were trying to recover.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: That is okay. I want to move on to the issue of the operation of the National Treatment Purchase Fund, NTPF. There is a major problem with delays in getting access to treatment. If someone has an 18-month or two-year delay in getting access to treatment, they may very well then require a higher degree of treatment, at a far higher cost. Has the NTPF been analysed regarding how we can...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: Can I go back to the issue of the process? I have come across a process whereby a person is referred to be assessed under the National Treatment Purchase Fund. The person who assessed them then sets out a report on the care they require. This may include surgery, for example. The person is referred back to the HSE for that surgery. The problem, then, is that the consultants to whom they...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: Well, it is an issue, because I have come across it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: I know, but there is a concern about this process that the person they are then referred to will say that they are not prepared to do a surgery until they do their assessment.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: Therefore, while the HSE might be taking them off the waiting list, it is technically putting them back onto another waiting list.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: I am asking if there is a need to review this, first because of the decision regarding treatment abroad and people's entitlements. The second reason relates to the process I am talking about, which is not actually expediting the reduction of the list in real terms.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: It does.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: It does. I can assure Mr. Gloster that it does.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: People who are on the front line will say that they are not prepared-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: I am hearing otherwise.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Colm Burke: Maybe Mr. Flood would like to comment.

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