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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: I thank the witnesses for attending. I have a feeling this afternoon of great compassion, understanding, wisdom and professionalism. I thank them for that. I wish the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste were present for the hearings because this is their Bill.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: I know. We are even on the Title of the Bill.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: I wish the Minister for Health, the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste were here. They are in America celebrating 150 years of a Jesuit college but the focus for this country is the committee hearings.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: One woman taking her life is too many. One baby’s life lost while we mess around with the law is too many. I fear not just one baby’s life will be lost but hundreds if we introduce the legislation under discussion. That is wrong.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: It has a huge bearing. It was misleading.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: It would be useful to hear that from the women themselves.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: We should protect both lives.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: I thank the doctors who have come before the committee today. I have been present on Friday and today. We are all agreed that what we want – whether professionally qualified or non-qualified citizens – is a good, ethical society, one that respects life. In essence, that is what we are here for. This is not a debate in a vacuum. It is a debate about realities. The...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: It is a big omission if one fails to deliver necessary care by omission when one is young, vulnerable and in crisis.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: I do not set out blame but I urge that we do not rush the legislation. We must think about it and look at the realities of the 7 million abortions in England and the 55 million abortions in America. We talked about children. There is a law in France-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: -----that allows under-age girls to go to their GP and have an abortion without their parents' knowledge. They are realities.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: I know. I want to comment for clarity sake. Dr. Monaghan, I said that the guidelines, to me, from all of the conversations, appear to answer all of the questions of the proposed legislation under the heads. The other lady doctor said-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: -----that if one goes to an accident and emergency department, one will get whatever it takes, but one will get the same in this too. Dr. Monaghan said that he needs clarity in order to feel safer in the work that he does but he has already said that he feels safe and will do everything that he has to do. That is a contradiction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: Remember psychiatry was hijacked in Britain, America and France.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: France introduced strict legislation in 1975 and today underage girls can go to their GPs and obtain a lawful abortion without the knowledge of their parents. That started from strict legislation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: I thank the four professional consultants for their presentations. I feel I learned much more in this session than in the earlier one on the actual delivery of the safe care for mothers and their babies. I got a much better sense of conversation and real meaning about the whole issue. We are here to discuss the heads of the Bill. That derives from the difficulty that there is in applying...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: It is philosophy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: I am not confused. I am very clear.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: I am not confused, in case the doctor believes I am.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Peter Mathews: I am not being disingenuous.

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