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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will note and publish this. All these replies will feed into our next report. We may be here in the new year to deal with that. No. 2487 B is from Mr. Ray Mitchell of the Health Service Executive, providing information requested by the committee. There is quite a bit here. The HSE witnesses will be here in a couple of weeks so we will be able to interrogate them further on these...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: In regard to the PPP projects, we will ask for a detailed breakdown under all the various headings the Deputy mentioned so we will not be asking for the information on the day and getting it after Christmas. We will ask now to have it supplied to us in the briefing material in advance so we can examine it before the witnesses come in and discuss it in detail with them on a PPP project by PPP...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Lease arrangements, not PPPs.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We need to list the agencies. The HSE has no problem publishing in its annual report a list running to dozens of pages of payments to these organisations. It publishes this information every year in its annual report so we are not asking-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Just in case people think we are being prurient, we are not looking for information on organisations for which the HSE does not publish global figures on an annual basis. It lists the organisations in its reports so there is no secret as to their identity. However, we need the information to be a bit more manageable because there are hundreds of organisations. Perhaps we should look for...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We could have a list the size of a telephone directory otherwise.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: What figure would the Deputy suggest?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Fine. That is agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Fine. I would be worried that we would get an unmanageable amount of data-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will seek information on the organisations in receipt of annual payments in excess of €250,000. That will cover all of the big ones.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Also in relation to each of those CHOs, people are approved for home help but are put on a waiting list. Patients are approved but the HSE does not have the money. We need to know how many have been approved and put on waiting lists in each of the regions. There are many such people out there.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We all get letters from people who have been approved for home help but are on a waiting list until funding becomes available. We need that figure, broken down by CHO region too. The next item of correspondence, No. 2502, is from Mr. Ronan Murphy, the chief executive of Horse Sport Ireland, HSI, dated 23 October, providing a detailed response to a request for a timeline for the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Commissioner of Valuation is replying in his letter stating that there is confusion when people speak about his role. He is stating that people who have written to this committee do not take account of the distinction of the Commissioner of Valuation being independent in carrying out functions under the Valuation Acts and the entirely separate role as Accounting Officer in the context of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is fantastic. People deal with Mr. O'Sullivan and I can understand how people in that situation, dealing with Mr. O'Sullivan as the head of the Valuation Office, can think they are dealing with Mr. O'Sullivan in his separate legal role of Accounting Officer for the Valuation Office. Mr. O'Sullivan is stating that people should not confuse writing a letter to him as the Commissioner of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. O'Sullivan must have two halves to his brain that do not communicate. According to this letter he has two separate roles, or perhaps two separate hats might be the best way to put it. We will note and publish that information and people may be interested in it. Many people are interested in this topic and in car parking for supermarkets.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We did not see that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are waiting for that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, it is guidance. There is an interesting note on the valuation of car parks in the context of shopping centres where the main supermarket or property company may own the whole thing and there may be an anchor tenant and other tenants. Individual rates may not be paid but there would be a reflection in the rents. The bottom line for the people who operate the car park is that it is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a good letter and Deputy Murphy's point is quite right. The information referred to is not being gathered by An Bord Pleanála, so we might write back and ask it to put a procedure in place from now on to see that is done. It is important for the local and regional authorities and the Department to know this information. It would appear that somebody should be collecting this...

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