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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I ask that we postpone the completion of our consideration of the motion until we receive the relevant information. There is a history of our not receiving promised information. There is an opportunity to give it to us on this occasion because we have enough time. We have until the end of the month to report to the Dáil, as the Chairman has already stated. I propose that we have a...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: The information I seek is so tied. I asked about the €45 million in the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government in respect of the slowdown associated with schemes. This is the main item in the moneys carried forward. It will take only a minute or two to discuss it at our next meeting. It is a way of ensuring the committee will receive the relevant...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: No. There is a history in that the Minister of State's senior Minister did the same to us a month ago.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I understand that.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: It would take only two minutes before or after an item of business at another meeting.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I would be happy with seven days.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Is that in order? Can we defer completion of our consideration of a motion? When is the deadline for reporting to the Dáil?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Is it possible for this committee to complete its consideration today but withhold the sending of the message until 19 February?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I accept the Chairman’s good faith on this.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Does the Chairman understand where I am coming from? I was codded once before.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Exactly.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: It is significant in some of the line Departments.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: It is 1% surrender and 3% carry forward.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Exactly. I have two technical questions before I move on to my substantive question. In the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport there is a carry-forward of €1.8 million for a payment for the SAR helicopter contract. There is a related question in respect of the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, as shown on page 9 of the notes received. On page 10...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I understand that because it includes mortgages.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I know it is detailed but it just-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Yes. The detailed question is on the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government. More than half of the carry-forward of €132, some €72 million, comes from the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government. I think my figures are correct. The appropriation account for 2012 was a total of €107 million and again, more than €43...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Finance Act 2004 (Section 91) (Deferred Surrender to the Central Fund) Order 2014: Motion (12 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I am only guessing.

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