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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: By the way, have the Gaffney Hayes family received their money?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Obviously 90% of the cases under the State Claims Agency are clinical cases. Another prominent case would be that of Louise O'Keeffe which was decided in the European Court of Human Rights. In the course of similar cases the agency had written to people to withdraw their actions after the matters were decided in the Irish courts. Some did withdraw but some went to court. The State Claims...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Thank you, Chairman. I welcome all of the witnesses to today's meeting. I would like to ask the representatives of the National Pensions Reserve Fund a brief question about the 2012 accounts, which they signed off on 17 June 2013. Page 7 of those accounts refers to an expected commitment of €250 million to Irish Water as part of that body's establishment costs. Can the witnesses...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: When did the NPRF get that guarantee? Who signed that guarantee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: When was the legislation to which Mr. Corrigan refers passed? Is he talking about the Irish Water legislation that was passed just before Christmas?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Who signed the commitment? Perhaps I should call it a guarantee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: What was the nature of that guarantee? Was it that he would pay this money back if Irish Water did not pay it back?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Is it the case that in the absence of that guarantee, the NPRF was not satisfied with the proposal?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I ask the witnesses to talk me through the mechanics of this payment of €250 million in July 2013. To whom was it paid? Was it paid to Bord Gáis?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: It was paid to Irish Water rather than to Bord Gáis. What are the terms of that loan? Is it a loan?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 28 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
Chapter 29 - Clinical Indemnity Scheme
2012 Annual Report and Accounts - National Pensions Reserve Fund
(13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: That is all right. I wanted to get the mechanics of it on the record. Many people have debated where this money came from. We knew the NPRF had a role in this regard, as it had specifically referred to this money in its annual account. I would like to ask a few questions about the State Claims Agency. I raised this issue with the witnesses when they were here previously. We heard some...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Can it be the practice in future that when the HSE has significant information that it circulates it to the committee in advance? The practice the HSE adopted on two occasions when it has been on live television has been to produce information for the first time for dramatic effect and causing public consternation while this committee has not had the opportunity to consider it calmly in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: No; I do not want to involve the CPP. I am entitled to it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: Does every member have the right to go to the office where the recordings are? Is that agreed? That is a first step.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: I chaired a committee in the previous Oireachtas. There was a misunderstanding among most Oireachtas Members to the effect that we could not get a record of meetings in private session. As Chairman of a committee in the last Oireachtas, there was confusion about something that was said and I got the opportunity to go to Kildare House with the clerk to the committee and listen to the tape....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: The Chairman has asked me to clarify my request. It is beyond me that, as a Member of the Oireachtas, when I make comments and put questions at a committee meeting and they are recorded, I should have to ask the Ceann Comhairle and the CPP for permission to provide me with a record of what I said. It is absurd. If the witness does not look for it, I am saying that I want a record of what...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: We are here as the Committee of Public Accounts representing the public. Up to now, we have been doing a good job on behalf of the public we represent. The public is supportive of what has come out of various committees during recent weeks. I believe that if we now pull down the shutters in terms of particular information we have received and tell the public this is because on occasion...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Regulator Establishment (13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: 123. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform if he will provide a complete breakdown of the Estimate of €552,000 for the establishment of the new lottery regulator; the way the Estimate figure was arrived at; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [7234/14]

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Licence Sale (13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: 124. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform if he will provide a breakdown of the total costs in respect of the sale of the national lottery licence, including consultancy fees paid to a company (details supplied), and a complete breakdown of this and all other costs; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [7235/14]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Hospital Waiting Lists (13 Feb 2014)

Seán Fleming: 242. To ask the Minister for Health when a person (details supplied) in County Laois will have an operation carried out. [7233/14]

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