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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: They are for Caranua witnesses. Will they be here in the afternoon?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Okay. Sorry about that.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Okay. Sorry about that. I will just ask a few questions on the terms of reference of the review of eligibility. The terms of reference are being drafted at the moment and looked at again. Under the terms of the review, would there be the potential to make a one-off payment to remaining survivors? Is that a possibility under this review? Would the Department look at this? I have a list...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Were there any one-off payments ever made to any individual?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Okay. What about potential lump sum payments being made to remaining survivors twice per year, such as at Christmas and summer time? Could that be looked at under the review? Is the witness saying that there are no lump sum cash payments at all?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: So no one ever got a cash payment. It was all only for services. I ask the witness to explain "services". What kind of services were they getting? What is the difference between an individual getting a lump sum and getting services paid for?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Some people might be living in their own houses. How are they given services? Are there no cash payments made to anyone as compensation?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I did not understand that. I understood that the Department was compensating them with hard cash. There is reference to an average of €60,000 so I thought it was that amount in cash.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I mixed up the two of them.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I am sorry. I am putting the wrong questions to the wrong people.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I have a question on the legal fees, which were mentioned already by Deputy Catherine Murphy. They appear to be extraordinary. We are not talking about court cases here, but redress. I see that €193 million was paid to 991 legal firms. This represents 15% of total costs. That appears to be large and excessive, particularly for redress rather than fighting cases in court. It is a...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: In hindsight, does the witness believe that initiatives could have been taken to reduce the legal fees, before this started?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Is there an estimate for the cost of the remaining legal fees? It is €193 million already. What is the estimate for the future?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: What percentage of cases is left? How many have been dealt with and how many are left?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: That is fine. I have questions for the other group from Caranua.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I asked these questions of the wrong group earlier. I attached them for Caranua. On the recently introduced funeral expenses, is it true that expenses are paid in advance to undertakers?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Does that mean that the survivor, or any individual, is not party to the contract? He or she has nothing to do with it because Caranua is paying. The survivor has no say in the matter and cannot enforce the contract. Caranua has limited life expectancy and will close in a couple of years. How will the relatives of the survivor obtain the benefits of the service in years to come? How has...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: It seems to be a bizarre arrangement.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Could family members look after it rather than going to the undertaker?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Is it true that some survivors are approaching undertakers and looking for some of the money? That is a bad system.

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