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Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: Would it be a good idea to insert a requirement to let people know? Would the Minister be open to that?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: He is making a related point.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: It is directly related.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: I think we are now in a rather serious situation because Senator McDowell, who, as I know to my benefit, is a very professional, very highly regarded member of the Irish Bar, practising at the moment, a former Attorney General, former Minister for Justice and Equality, and former Tánaiste, is telling this House that this section is unconstitutional and he is clearly demonstrating the...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: JAAB was part of the consideration. The Minister was most uncharacteristically uncharitable about my state of health. It was dreadful. I was really quite hurt and taken aback.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: He introduced it, not me. He is a Minister, he should know better. He is a Laois man. We expect more of Laois men.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: Yes, but the Minister has just brought it up again.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: The Minister does not know what he is saying but at least he is smiling and he has such a charming smile.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: I should think it is perfectly obvious that the Government needs greater amounts of information to make a good decision. It is extraordinary that the Government is confined apparently to a shortlist. What happens if an excellent candidate has been omitted, as Senator McDowell said, or several excellent candidates? The Government, in making its decision, knows nothing about them. The...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: -----but also the full list so that the Government knows the three or four people who are supposed to be the best candidates, according to this group that is made up of this, that and the other and a collection of hairpins and whatever else we said. It should also have the longlist so that it knows who has been held out of the list. That would enable the Government to make a proper...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: I am a little concerned as this is such an important debate and constitutional matters are being discussed but there is a very thin attendance. There is not a single person on the Government benches. There is nobody from the Government. I wonder if there is a method of rectifying that.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: Did I hear the word "quorum"?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: I am.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: I was only in possession because I called a quorum. We have arrived at an extremely significant point in the debate.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: Did a sparrow squeak?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: Are there birds in here? It is a mouse. As I was saying, we have arrived at an extremely serious point as somebody with the background, reputation and standing-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: -----of Senator McDowell has alerted the House to the fact that provisions of this section of the Bill are clearly unconstitutional. He has put on the record arguments that clearly demonstrate this fact. It is a really serious matter and the House would be well advised to recognise it. I will come back again to the point of what is perfectly logical or reasonable when making a decision....

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2018)

David Norris: The Minister's colleague and a Government Minister-----

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