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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I understand all that. There was a working group and a separate group monitoring the implementation off the internal audit.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am not in any way mixed up about this. I accept the Commissioner's answer at this point. She is stopping me going on to the next question, which is about trust in whatever system was set up, whatever group was set up and candour. Let me go to Michael Howard, the head of the internal audit, who does not seem to know anything even though he is the head of the internal audit because he has...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Sorry, the audit committee. I thank the Vice Chairman for the correction. Let me go back to what the Commissioner said was a personality clash or personality issues between Mr. Barrett and Mr. Culhane. Does she still hold that it was a personality clash?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Where does the Commissioner see any issues arising on the side of Mr. Barrett?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The Commissioner has said there were very serious interpersonal issues between two people.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Yes. The only evidence I see of that is Mr. Culhane writing letters. Where is the evidence that there were problems with Mr. Barrett?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Just please-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: This is not what the Commissioner is dealing with. She is dealing with a very senior person from the outside who has been brought in and given a very high title. There is Mr. Culhane who is the chief financial officer. The only correspondence I see where complaints are made is Mr. Culhane's. This is a very detailed letter making very serious allegations in October 2015. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Dunne and subsequently Mr. Ó Cualáin, I understand.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I come back to the Commissioner regarding Mr. Dunne. This was addressed to her on 24 October 2015. Without context, it is a very serious letter. In context, given all that went before and no action - a 2006 report, a 2008 report and a 2010 report-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am just finishing on this. I want to put these last few things on candour. Some of my colleagues have already referred to 24 October. Is the commissioner seriously putting all these issues, including considering applying the Official Secrets Act, down to a personality clash or interpersonal difficulties? Even now, is she seriously putting that letter down to fault on both sides, as it...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The Commissioner has said that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The Commissioner has said that. I am asking her to look back at this letter with hindsight. It is an extraordinary, is it not? The Commissioner would accept it is an extraordinary letter. This is a man who is sitting on a committee with Mr. Barrett.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The Commissioner has said that a few times. I think she absolutely misread the situation either deliberately - which is probably an unfair allegation - or unintentionally in relation to what was being done here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I take back "deliberately".

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I take back "deliberately".

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I will let her.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Dunne dealt with the matter in relation to meeting Mr. Barrett and Mr. Culhane. He has a note, which the Commissioner has read, of those two meetings. Did he resolve anything?

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