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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: This morning the committee will hold two separate sessions, the first of which will be with representatives from the National Federation of Voluntary Bodies, the Disability Federation of Ireland, the Not for Profit Association and the Irish Congress of Trade Unions' health sector committee. In the second session, we will engage with the Department of Health and the HSE. We had invited the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: We have undertaken to write to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and request that its officials attend on a separate session. I welcome Ms Anne Winslow of the Disability Federation of Ireland, Mr. Brian O'Donnell of the National Federation of Voluntary Bodies and Ms Mo Flynn of the Not for Profit Association. I also welcome Mr. David Joyce from the Irish Congress of Trade...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: I thank Mr. Bell. We will now have the joint opening statement from the section 39 voluntary organisations. I call Mr. O'Donnell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: When responding, the delegates might comment on my following point. The voluntary organisations, the section 39 organisations, are the meat in the sandwich here. They are committed to providing the services and delivering, on behalf of the HSE, services that are essential, yet they have, on the one hand, pay demands from the unions to which they must respond and, on the other, a lack of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: Ms Flynn said the organisation is spending €2 million on agency costs and there is a premium of 20% on an agency payment, so €400,000 per €2 million would be the premium on those agency staff.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: However, 20% would be €400,000.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: Plus training plus-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: How much in relative terms would those additional costs on training and recruitment come to?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: So that saving of 20% premium plus the savings and costs could be money spent on the delivery of services?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: I will allow one comment from Mr. Tony Fitzpatrick. Then we will move on to our next contributors.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: We will try to wind up the session because we must bring in the next group. Deputy Durkan has minus three minutes to make a contribution.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: I will give Mr. Brian O'Donnell a chance to give a last comment-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: I thank Deputy Durkan. I ask Mr. O'Donnell to handle as many of those questions as possible.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: There was a question about how the HSE has responded to the Labour Court recommendations.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: We will go one minute here and then one minute there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: On behalf of the committee I thank the representative from the section 39 organisations, and from the unions ICTU, SIPTU, INMO, Fórsa, and UNITE. I thank all the witnesses for their contributions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: We will now resume in public session for session B of this morning's meeting. On behalf of the committee, I welcome Ms Teresa Cody and Ms Sorcha Murray from the Department of Health, and Ms Anne O'Connor, Mr. Stephen Mulvaney and Ms Rosarii Mannion from the HSE. Before we begin, and as I also did at the beginning of session A, I wish to express the disappointment of the committee that the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: I thank Ms Cody. We will open the discussion to our members. The first two members who have indicated are Deputies Louise O'Reilly and Bernard Durkan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: I have just one question. Could the delegates let the committee know whether there has been any increase in bloc grants to section 39 organisations since our economic recovery?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Section 39 Organisations: Discussion (31 Jan 2018)

Michael Harty: When representatives of the HSE attended a committee meeting some months ago, it was stated that, whereas there had not been an instruction that they cut pay, they had been asked to take cognisance of the fact that there had been pay reductions in the public service and that that should be borne in mind when they dealt with their reduced funding. That was how it was put. We will proceed...

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