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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Did that alert the Commissioner? Was that in 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Was there one in 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It is very important to check the records because it concerns the head of the audit committee in 2016 and 2017. Mr. Howard wrote to the Commissioner on 25 October. Let me put this in perspective and I will conclude on this issue. The letter was addressed to the Commissioner and concerned the audit of the Garda. Does the Commissioner wish to see it on the screen or does she have a copy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It is PAC32-R-575. I am sorry as I am wasting time. The letter is here if the Commissioner wants to look at it. Mr. Howard raised serious concerns about the background. He stated: "Again during 2015, the matter was raised internally within management. On this occasion, the existence of a potential problem in the Garda College was at least mentioned to the Audit Committee" and he gave the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I have a letter that is undated. Mr. Howard said is standing full-square behind Niall Kelly, so it must be after the audit. There is no date on the letter but it is addressed to the Commissioner, Nóirín O'Sullivan. He said: "Dear Commissioner, I regret that I am obliged to write to you again concerning a matter..." and he goes on in relation to Mr. Culhane's letters. I think...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Yes. Mr. Howard wrote a detailed letter again. He said: "I regret that I am obliged to write to you again" and he went on to express his concerns. I am finished, Vice Chairman. There is a letter and there are emails dating to late 2016 and early 2017 and after the audit. The head of the audit committee expressed serious concerns about lack of candour. As Commissioner, does Ms O'Sullivan...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Please.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Please.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Please. Just let me conclude. I only want my question answered. The Commissioner is talking down my clock.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I wish to deal with the lack of candour right up to 2017. This is my final question. I am simply asking the Commissioner what she thinks about that. What decisions did she take? What actions did she take in relation to the expressed lack of candour?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That was not an answer to my question on the lack of candour but I will leave it and come back to it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I have only one question. I do not know which of us is the most tortured at this point. It is hot this evening. In the interests of good practice, we should make a decision on when we will finish. My only question relates to a matter that I touched on today. I might have inadvertently misled the Commissioner a little. It had to do with the letter from Mr. Howard, head of the audit...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What did the Commissioner do about the letter? It is a recent one. I cannot find a date for it, but it is certainly-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Waters is the Secretary General of the Department of Justice and Equality.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: How long has Mr. Waters been in that role?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What position was Mr. Waters in before that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Waters has dipped in and out of the evidence. No one can watch this. It is tortuous for all of us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: A strong thread has emerged from a number of witnesses which suggests the Department of Justice and Equality was at all times fully aware of what was going on in Templemore.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I put that question to Ms. Barry on a previous occasion. The witnesses tell us the Department of Justice and Equality knew exactly what was going on and that it was aware that public money was going in, co-mingling with private money and a profit was being made, and that was all done with the blessing of the Department of Justice and Equality as each year passed. In fact, it endorsed that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am not going back to the start.

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