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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: So the Department is confident.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I will go through a number of different topics. According to Mr. Doyle's opening statement, over 10,000 homes were added to the social housing stock. That does not mean that they were direct build of social housing. It is direct builds, Part 5 and turnkey. Is long-leasing included in that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That was to be phased out. I can see, in my own local authority, it has gone from €24 million to €35 million this year. When will it be phased out?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That is not what I see.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I can see long leases where there are 50 houses in a housing estate and people taken off the housing list. Side-by-side, there would be private owners who would be Part 5. So I am not seeing-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is a very expensive way of delivering homes. I keep saying that. As I say, I will go across a number of topics. In the area of homelessness, the overall allocation is €317 million for 2023. Mr. Kelly stated that approximately 85% of that is a direct spend on accommodation. If there are 13,179 people being accommodated, according to the homeless figures as of October last,...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That makes it worse. If one has multiple children going through, it actually makes it worse.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I know one of those family hubs. It is in the town where I live. It is a Dublin Region Homeless Executive hub. I do not see any real surround supports that go along with that when people are outside the jurisdiction of the county or city, that is the acquiring that accommodation. It is still very substandard. I could give specific examples but It is very substandard. I know there is a...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Was 250 the number that was requested or was it higher?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: All Oireachtas Members will have a briefing with their relevant local authority on issues such as affordable housing, delivery of turnkey, council owned land, Part V, LDA and cost rental. My local authority made a request for seven staff and received three.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Does the Department expect to surrender any money from the housing budget, particularly the capital budget this year?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I know, but the substantial amounts are what I am getting at. In terms of the local authority loan, we have a pretty good idea of what people are looking for because they come to us looking for things. The approval rate for applications underwritten in October was 61%. Do we know what the drawdown of that 61% is? What is the assessment of the drawdowns?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: What is the percentage drawn down?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It has to be sustainable, and people have to be able to pay the loan back. With regard to the flow of people through homelessness, Mr. Doyle made the point that the 13,179 in October are not the same people. Some of them would be because some of people would be two or three years in homelessness. Is a record kept of the actual number and particularly the number of children? Adverse...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Could Mr. Doyle give us a note on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. Pyrite is something I keep a bit of an eye on. I cannot think of pyrite without thinking of the late Shane McEntee, who some of us worked very closely with to try to get that scheme up and running. We can see the progress that has been made over the years. There were estimates and we have a good idea of the numbers now. When does Mr. Jordan expect that scheme to conclude? If it...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The original estimate was way in excess of 3,300.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. I thank the witnesses. I will make one further point. We talk about local authorities not directly building. We get responses in the Dáil to the effect that 10,000 homes have been delivered into the housing stock. The concern we have is that there is one line of delivery that is probably underperforming, and we must ask what blockages are there. Sometimes there can be a lot...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Is that R2268?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: On the final point in the second question regarding Mr. Lynch and a voluntary exit scheme, all we are told is that she participated in the McCann FitzGerald review. That was supposed to be published about six week's ago and has been delayed. This was one of the things we were waiting for . Can we inquire as to when that is going to be with us?

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