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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: Would the NCCA welcome dialogue with media outlets and the national broadcaster on the issues that were raised in the review? I ask because such an exchange might help them. The media and the national broadcaster looks at listenership figures. They are interested but they do not look at the pressure cooker atmosphere that is in the homes of the students and parents. I have no doubt that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: I understand that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: The media play a very important role around the leaving certificate in terms of communicating the message. The past two years have been very difficult for leaving certificate students on top of the intensity of the media.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: Absolutely.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: On the pressures we have spoken about, absolutely every witness who has appeared before us over the past two or three months to talk about leaving certificate reform has spoken about the pressure on students over the two years, that is, the fifth and sixth years, but especially from the time of the mock examinations right through until the last examination that they do. Part of that is the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: Yes, okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: Some stakeholders have suggested that continuous assessment may also be stressful. As we all know, any formal exam is stressful. We all think that continuous assessment will be the be-all and end-all. I personally am very supportive of it but other people who have appeared before the committee may not be as in favour of continuous assessment. They have said it will still be a very...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: I have very brief questions. I will let Mr. Slattery come in on the other point. In the review, did it come through that some students are very much in favour of continuous assessment, prefer it and find it much easier while others would rather have that bank at the very end? In other words, they would rather have the leaving certificate as it stands. Do the officials understand the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: It might be an unfair question to ask the officials but has there any been any conversation about amalgamating both bodies to pool resources? What way do they pool their resources? Do they work together in any way? Would amalgamation streamline the work they do? I just want a brief comment; I do not want to get into a long conversation on it but I am interested. It was mentioned in one...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: I have two questions from Senator Flynn who had to leave. She stated we know the biggest consequence of the flaws of our education system is the impact of the leaving certificate on students’ well-being, anxiety and stress and oftentimes depression has become a permanent feature in senior cycle students’ leaving certificate experience. She also stated we have no choice but to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: Before I hand over to Senator O’Reilly, I must say that I concur with Ms Feeney. Mr. Slattery also spoke about the leaving certificate applied programme. It is a fantastic programme and is not given the recognition it deserves. Every student has something to offer. Students often go through a phase in their life and they could be in their early 20s before they have a light bulb...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: Before we go to the witnesses I want to point out that Deputy Ó Cathasaigh is next. I should have called him before the Senator because he was here at the start of the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: That might be achieved when we have a united Ireland.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: I am not sure about that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: I am ready to conclude, but now I see-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Paul Kehoe: We have about five minutes left. We will conclude because it is 1.30 p.m. and I conscious we have been here for two and a half hours. I thank the NCCA and SEC representatives for the very productive discussion we have had. Their exchange of views has been very helpful. We are coming to the end of our leaving certificate review and it was very important that both organisations appeared...

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