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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: He is head of resource management and accountant of the Courts of Justice. What is the difference between the Courts Service's annual report of 2018 and the financial statements for 2018 of the office of the accountant of the courts of justice? Are they the same or different?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Quigley stated "we", but I thought he is part of the Courts Service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: To whom does the Courts Service provide this service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is confusing. Has Mr. Quigley a dual role, as accountant for the Judiciary in respect of this fund and in his work for the Courts Service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: My question is in respect of the office of the accountant of the Courts of Justice, which are not audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General. The Courts Service managed funds of €1.9 billion, which I mentioned, and I understand that at least 70% of it was for wards of court. For everything we have discussed thus far about the Courts Service, Mr. Quigley is answerable to the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is what I want Mr. Quigley to explain to the public. He is answerable to the committee for part of his role, namely, at the Courts Service, but he is not answerable to us when he wears the other hat.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not saying there is anything wrong with that but he needs to explain-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: For the benefit of a person watching the meeting, we should state money is provided to run the Courts Service. Moneys are paid into the courts, such as for wards of court, which is a big issue. Coincidentally, it was a recurring matter at the State Claims Agency, which told us the majority of its payments every year are to the Courts Service. Our guests might not be aware of that-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----but we asked the agency to give us a breakdown because for the awards given for catastrophic injuries in hospitals, the people tend to be wards of court. We asked the agency, therefore, what proportion of the payments it makes is to the Courts Service. It was able to produce the figure because it knows where its payments go. It is understandably a high figure. It includes cases from...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am trying to summarise it for people who are watching. It is reasonable. Our guests might be able to answer the following questions, but they might not. What is the general solicitor?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Do they report to Ms Denning?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Who makes the decision to sell?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: A judge makes the decision.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: The general solicitor carries out the functions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: While the Courts Service handles the administration, payment and the office, the general solicitor tends to report directly to the Judiciary.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: As well.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: The general solicitor is not a separate legal entity.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Have our guests the figures for the number of wards of court?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Did Ms Denning state more than 20,000 wards are made each year?

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