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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: To stay on that theme for a moment, Ms Duggan said there are 1,200 unaccompanied minors. Is that in total in the last two years?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Approximately 600 per year.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: What percentage of those are coming from the Ukraine?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Okay. Generally, would it be-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: From Ukraine?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Can Mr. Delaney give me those last two figures again?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Okay, it was between 30% and 50%. Obviously, when unaccompanied minors arrive, Tusla has to provide for them. People obviously------

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: This problem has been landed on Tusla. I do not want to say it is a problem but the responsibility for this has landed into Tusla's office. I want to try to figure out what is happening here. Tusla had 1,200 children in two years and approximately 600 of those - 550 or so - were from Ukraine. Has Mr. Delaney's Department contacted the Ukrainian Embassy to find out why and how minors are...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Not this specific issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Why is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: We have children arriving in this country and this has landed on Tusla's doorstep at a time when we are under huge pressure. I will refer to the staffing issues and what is being done in a minute. I know Ms Duggan is trying to take some measures to get on top of this. However, we have huge resources issues and huge problems with getting suitable accommodation. The tap is still turned on...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: It needs to be raised.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: As a country, we have welcomed more than 100,000 people, including in Mr. Delaney's home town, who are in modular accommodation, and that is a good thing to do. It is not acceptable, however, for a country that has relied on this small State to take in more than 100,000 people to somehow have a laissez-faire attitude towards minors arriving here. I ask that the Department take this up with...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I understand there is conflict in those countries and the systems may not be functioning as well as they ought to be, but it is a very basic thing that airport checks are done. My God, a minor would not get out of this country unaccompanied, or it would be very difficult to do so. Which age categories are arriving here?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Of those, 96% are over 16.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Are any of them over 18?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is under the aegis of the Department of Justice.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: The Department is handling the child or young person. I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Ms Duggan is saying that some of these young people may be over 18 and they have to be separated from people who are genuinely under 18. This adds to the problem. The responsibility for checking this falls to the IPO, which is under the Department of Justice. The Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth looks after accommodation. I want to get to the bottom of...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: The issue of going back through the chain of checks and determining who is responsible has come up in other areas with other Departments that have appeared before the committee. I ask that the Department take this up actively with the Department of Justice. The current situation is not acceptable. I preface this by making the point that we have to help those children who are genuinely...

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