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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: In November 2022?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I am probably pointing out something that everybody is aware of, but Mr. Watt was previously Secretary General of the then Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, so he was fully aware that this was a significant step outside of the public financial procedures.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: On what basis does he not accept that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: The Comptroller and Auditor General has just set out that it was a significant change to the Vote.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Does Mr. Watt accept what the Comptroller and Auditor General said?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: But if Mr. Watt accepts it and he says he understood it-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Does Mr. Watt not accept that during an unprecedented period is when one needs one's procedures to work? However, we set them aside.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: But Mr. Watt sidestepped them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Is it fair to say that this process pushes us outside the standard public financial procedures?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Business of Select Committee (8 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Apologies have been received from Deputy Doherty. All those present are asked to exercise personal responsibility to protect themselves and others from the risk of contracting Covid-19. I propose that we go into private session to deal with some housekeeping matters. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (8 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I welcome Mr. Gerard Brady from the Irish Business and Employers Confederation, IBEC, and Mr. Ian Talbot and Mr. Shane Conneely from Chambers Ireland. Before we begin, I wish to explain some limitations to parliamentary privilege and the practice of the Houses as regards references witnesses may make to other persons in their evidence. The evidence of witnesses physically present or who...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (8 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I thank Mr. Brady and Mr. Talbot for their submissions.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (8 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Deputy Farrell's time is up.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (8 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I hope that answers the Deputy's question.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (8 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I think the tax we pay absolutely falls within this committee's remit.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (8 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I have some questions. I want to focus a little on working age payments, and what the report has to say on that. We have spoken in previous sessions about whether we are getting it right, or if there is sufficient communication between Departments around how they work together, and what it looks like on the ground for particular families. Would the witnesses like to make some overall...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (8 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Particularly from a gender perspective, that definitely affects women. They are risk averse when it comes to messing with benefits. You have spoken a little about the annual merry-go-round of the budget and supports for businesses that maybe do not work by the time the finance Bill comes along. Sometimes that also seems to happen for some social protection schemes. They have an unintended...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (8 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Does Mr. Brady think it is realistic to have a three-year roadmap for SME tax policy? The reason I ask is that our corporation tax policy is pretty static insofar as everybody knows where everybody sits on this. Even if it does go to 15%, everybody accepts that we will be dragged kicking and screaming. The 12.5% is there. The centre of the debate is fixed, but not so much with SME tax...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (8 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Would there be a need-----

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