Results 26,581-26,600 of 34,777 for speaker:Seán Fleming

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: I will not drop notes to the Minister. I am asking him to provide the information.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: I will allow Deputy McDonald to contribute first.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: I have a few questions to ask about the figures. First, on the details of that big figure - the Minister might tell me if the figures I am putting to him are correct - the Minister said in his opening statement that 820 people had retired in 2013. I am looking at the Estimates figure and the outturn for 2013 was €48 million in that area under Vote A5. Would that be correct? I want...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: I am talking about the figure from subhead A4, which is the big figure.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: That refers to established civil servants. Subhead A5 refers to unestablished civil servants.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: That was my mistake. The big figure is A4.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: I have the document the Minister presented to us here last January dealing with the Estimate for the current year. The Minister said then the outturn for 2013 was €48 million, plus or minus. He is saying today under this heading that 250 more people are retiring. The figure is up at 1,100. He had budgeted for 850 in his Estimate for this year, which is a little more than last...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: -----but he is now 250 ahead of that. On the information before us, the total spend under subhead A4 will be €87 million.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: Subhead A4?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: Yes, in respect of established-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: On those two figures, I want the Minister to explain the situation. We have established that by December 2013, 820 people had left. The payment under subhead A4 was €48 million. That is an average payment of €56,536.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: For 2014, the Minister is saying 1,100 will have gone, and the figure on the bottom line at the end of subhead A4 is now €87 million. That is an average of €79,000. That is a phenomenal increase from-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: I will come-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: I understand the general point, but this is the public expenditure sub-committee, whose job it is to delve in below the headline figures. That is our job here today. We would not be doing our job otherwise. We have gone from an average payment under this heading of €56,000 last year to €79,000 this year. Before we vote on it in the Dáil, the Minister will have to give...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: The Minister said that was because an additional 250 people had retired this year over the target of 850. Those 250 people-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: Let me finish my question.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: I know.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: The mix is different. I understand.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: The Minister will have to give us the details of the mix.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary) (9 Dec 2014)

Seán Fleming: Let me finish the point. The Minister is coming in here today saying that 250 more than the 850 people he expected to retire when he presented the Estimate at the beginning of the year have now retired or are on the way out - 1,100 in total - and that is costing an extra €27 million in the Supplementary Estimate before us today. It is the biggest element of it. That means the...