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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: It is concerning-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: This is a matter that the committee needs to be on top of. Is that agreed? Agreed. That concludes our consideration of our correspondence. We will move on to our work programme. Members have been circulated with a draft work programme. This is a discussion document and it is displayed on the members' screens. As the Dáil is in recess next week, we will not have a meeting. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: The matter concerned compensation in respect of Caranua.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Referring back to an earlier draft programme I have here, we expressed particular interest in the running costs and demand management of schools, school transport and the disposal of assets of the religious orders and Caranua. It is there, so we will ensure this is included in the agenda for the meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Okay. A compensation scheme was agreed way back when Michael Woods was the Minister with responsibility for victims' compensation. There was to be some----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: More than €300 million was spent on the scheme. Then more than €100 million came from the religious orders.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: I first heard of the issue around PFAS when it came before the committee a number of weeks ago. It is used for firefighting foam and, obviously, it is a requirement at the airport. However, in the letter it states that the European Environment Agency outlines that PFAS are used across a variety of consumer products. As the Deputy mentioned, the EPA and Fingal County Council are the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: While there is some information in the letter, if the Deputy is proposing that, then I think that is the direction to go.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: What is the question the Deputy proposes to put to the EPA?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Okay, there are two proposals. One, that the committee write to the Department with the questions-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, the DAA. We will write to the DAA with the question that Deputy McAuliffe proposed. However, I think that is a question that must go to the Department as well. That is who I had in mind. We can put it to the DAA and to the Department. Second, there is a proposal from Deputy Catherine Murphy that the committee write to the EPA around its oversight, role and involvement on this...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: It is probably a necessary evil.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: I remember reading the correspondence on it. It is on one of the aprons at Dublin Airport, as well. There must be a concentration of this contamination.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Okay, I thank the Deputy. On that point, from the Deputy's research, has that PFAS-free alternative been in use since 2013?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is good that another way has been found. I will now move on to category C correspondence, which is correspondence from private individuals and any other correspondence. No. 2431 is from the Moore Street Preservation Trust and is dated 28 February. It is in response to correspondence the committee received from the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage on the national...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: We have received apologies from Deputy O'Connor. We are joined by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr. Seamus McCarthy, who is a permanent witness to the committee. Members are reminded of the provisions of Standing Order 218 that a committee shall refrain from inquiring into the merits of a policy or policies of the Government or a Minister of the Government, or the merits of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Murphy has expressed my feelings and the feelings of other members.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: We discovered this on Tuesday. This is the situation we are in for now. We will have to contact the Department, the Minister and the Secretary General if there is a problem with getting engagement with IFI. Engagement has to happen and we will endeavour to have the organisation here as soon as possible.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: The committee is unanimous on this. We will endeavour to do so as quickly as possible. The public business before us this morning is as follows: minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. The first item of business is the minutes of our meetings of 27 and 29 February 2024, which have been circulated to members. Do members wish...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Brian Stanley: Do any members wish to come in on those?

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