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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Everyone understands the idea of children with their minds racing where they will try anything not go to bed. Autistic children will also do that. Again, that does not upset up anybody if it happens to be a good day the next day. That can be much more severe when dealing with autistic children.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: I would imagine so.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Dr. Healy gets to the crux of the matter as it relates to an awful lot of issues that autistic kids and their families deal with, such as distressed behaviour. We all know the outworkings in relation to schools, so it is absolutely necessary to have follow through on assistive technologies or anything that can work. With regard to the research Dr. Healy spoke about, we need strategies for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Scaffolding.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: And then give them wins as well so you can build on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: It seems like the only idea for an awful lot of people and if you can find a way of teaching them the curriculum and the means by which they can learn, that gives them fundamental skill sets.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: It is the means by which you learn. It is the fundamental building block you need. We all get the idea of early intervention. The witnesses spoke about bespoke solutions, which will work for people. We all know the services that are not there. I am not saying we can replace psychologists and speech and language therapists but in a very short period of time, we must be able to offer...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: I thank our guests. It is great to have them here. To follow on from Deputy Tully, Mr. Lennon is saying the centre needs a serious increase in the level of resources or else policy changes and that that is where the difficulties, as regards there being no Executive and the problems with the North-South Ministerial Council, come into play. Even though there is no minister in the North, can...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: We all understand that. Mr. Lennon is saying we would be having a different conversation if things were where we would prefer them to be, with the Executive up and running and so on. Would we then be having a conversation about resources? He spoke about a three- or four-year plan and I imagine that would involve expansion across the board.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Everybody sees the appeal of being able to make longer-term plans rather than just continuing as we are. It is another argument for getting an Executive up and running, with the North-South Ministerial Council and all the other parts of the Good Friday Agreement in operation. Nevertheless, we will leave it at that, given it is not the issue we are here to deal with. Our guests might have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Is one of the ways better than the other?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: However, as Mr. Lennon knows, putting that guidance into operation is a different kettle of fish.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: There is a constant feedback loop, which is the best way to operate any system.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Nobody puts the perfect in place straight away. Is that feedback process happening all the time?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: It is a fundamentally brilliant idea. It was missed by many people over many years that there is a need to engage with the people who require changes as to what works and what does not, what makes them feel more comfortable and what makes it easier for them to learn. Alongside the witnesses' own research, incorporating a feedback loop is the perfect way to run anything. They should keep...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: The child-led model makes complete sense and everything emanates from that. We need to put the structure in place and then see what works, what does not and how to improve it. That allows for consistent and constant improvement. Then one integrates whatever else from outside works. The report in relation to autism best practice brings me back to identifying what is a best practice...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Is co-ordination easier when it is within the school setting?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: It is a point that needs to be made though.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: I believe I speak for nearly every elected representative in Leinster House in saying that the witnesses have made very convincing arguments about their approach being effective in allowing children to flourish. They have made a fabulous case for what they are offering.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (31 Jan 2023)

Ruairí Ó Murchú: Would it be two things?

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