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Joint Committee On Health: Mental Health Commission Interim Report on CAMHS: HSE (14 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I completely accept that. However, to be clear, given Mr. Ryan said four hubs are in development, have we a map somewhere that shows the amount we need is and how we would cover the country? It might not be required in the middle of Dublin but I am just asking whether somebody has a visualisation somewhere that shows many hubs we should have in a perfect world.

Joint Committee On Health: Mental Health Commission Interim Report on CAMHS: HSE (14 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Yes, but how many would we like to end up with?

Joint Committee On Health: Mental Health Commission Interim Report on CAMHS: HSE (14 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Is the funding available yet from the Department to set up nine hubs? Our guests seem to be indicating it is not. Is that because the executive is only pursuing four?

Joint Committee On Health: Mental Health Commission Interim Report on CAMHS: HSE (14 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: That makes sense. I thank Dr. Niazi and the Chair.

Joint Committee On Health: Mental Health Commission Interim Report on CAMHS: HSE (14 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: How often do they meet?

Joint Committee On Health: Mental Health Commission Interim Report on CAMHS: HSE (14 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Let us take the Galway-Roscommon one, which seems to be up and running.

Joint Committee On Health: Mental Health Commission Interim Report on CAMHS: HSE (14 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: That is an annual budget.

Joint Committee On Health: Mental Health Commission Interim Report on CAMHS: HSE (14 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Thus we are kind of halfway there. They would have an annual revenue requirement per hub of about €750,000. What would be the capital cost to set that up? Is it something similar?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: This might be a question for Mr. Thompson. In 2018 the State received an infrastructure loan from the European Investment Bank, EIB, for digital investment in health. Given the context of the cyberattack, what is the status of that? How much is spent and how much applied to particular projects?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: 2018.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay. We heard last week from the HSE that in its estimation - we are talking about digital services right now - the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board, NPHDB, would mostly be doing the equipping. I do not know if we fixed on a time for substantial completion of the hospital. I think we decided that the middle of next year was probably realistic.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: A period of commissioning being about six months.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: By my reading of the documents, the NPHDB will do most of the equipping during that commissioning stage.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Overlap.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay. CHI is going to do the digital commissioning.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I noted its press release last week after the Committee of Public Accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: It is going to be fantastic to have a digitally literate hospital; nobody is arguing with that. What I am trying to get at is the timeline. CHI has €4.3 million to do that work.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Yes. The figure I am being given now is €83 million but Mr. Tierney is saying there is matched funding somewhere.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay.

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