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Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is what I am wondering. I am just using the City of Dublin ETB as an example because we will go through this with the others in terms of committees meeting. Somehow sometimes it falls between stools. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Right.

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is Ms O'Riordan confident that there will be two finance meetings before the end of the year?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I shall turn next to the Department. I could not find the following when I was looking for it today. I knew there was a reference to a pilot programme somewhere. It was a pilot programme involving the sectoral governance compliance unit. Who in the Department of Education and Skills is aware of it?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am reading from an extract from the statement on internal financial controls under the heading of education sector corporate governance. The Accounting Officer stated that "the Department's sectoral governance compliance unit made significant progress".

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I missed the meaning of that.

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is that the compliance unit?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Tell me a little about the compliance unit and the pilot programme.

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Was that done as a pilot project for a particular piece of time?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What has been learned?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I asked about risks the delegates have identified. The lack of an internal auditor certainly seems to present a huge risk.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I suggest we-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Chairman-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Chairman, I am sorry but I do not agree that we should go into private session. We have a job to do here in public session. We have two-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I ask the Chairman to let me finish. We have two ETBs before us. We have a job to do in terms of value for money and asking questions. Let that process proceed. We cannot compel a witness to answer our questions. The witnesses are here in a voluntary capacity. Obviously, they are accountable to the Committee of Public Accounts. Let us deal with what we have in as fair a manner as we...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I use the word "voluntary" in the sense that they are here to help us. They are accountable, of course - let me finish, please. In that capacity, they are not compelled to be here at this point. We have to deal with what we are getting, and I think we should go ahead and deal with it. We are not in a court of law; we are here to bring as much accountability as we can. There are two ETBs...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I note Tipperary ETB has received a clear audit from the Comptroller and Auditor General, with no issues raised. Well done. Ms McGeever is the CEO of Tipperary ETB and Mr. Hogan is its chairperson. Perhaps the other two gentlemen would identify who they are and their roles.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Thank you. I have two questions, one of which is in regard to the deficit, which we put to all the other ETBs. Can Ms McGeever clarify the nature of the deficit?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Why?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: As in the case of the other ETBs, did it result from under-funding by the Department?

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