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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will we write to the Higher Education Authority to establish if it is a practice across all universities?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is the Irish Federation of University Teachers. We will follow this up because perhaps there is a broader issue. I suspect there is an element of this across many of the third level colleges. I call Deputy Cullinane.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay, we will send this-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will send this letter to the HEA because the specifics of it might be news to the authority as well. We will ask it for its views and also ask it to contact the other colleges and ask them to assemble the information. It is not our job to do its job. We will ask it to assemble the information from the constituent colleges and pass it over.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, it is not too difficult. We are not proposing that we go back to 2016 or 2017 because we have enough data for 2018. The Comptroller and Auditor General has published the appropriation accounts and they have been laid before the Oireachtas. Some of them have these issues. They have already been published and noted by the committee. We are just asking the secretariat and the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, each of the Departments, because we are talking about the voted expenditure. It is only a minority of them but we will systematically write the standard letter to each of them and ask them to give a detailed breakdown of the procurement issues that are referred to in their appropriation accounts. We will write to all of those organisations whose 2018 accounts have either been examined...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. One theme I have seen is a consistent referral to the fact that the Office of Government Procurement has not established a framework. I can see between four and six different reasons for these procurement issues arising. Some of it is down to bad management, to be honest. When we assemble the information, we will be able to examine and categorise it under the different headings-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: After that, we will be able to pull it all together.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: I can see a straightforward path in terms of where we want to get to on this, but we have to assemble the information first. Members should note that on foot of further items of correspondence received by the committee and discussed at our meeting last week, we will be writing to Maynooth University with further specific queries. The next item of correspondence, No. 2522, is from...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: I think our input is going to help in that regard. As Deputy Cullinane said, we must look at areas where the rules may be overly restrictive, for example. We will look at the nature of the frameworks being established by the Office of Government Procurement. Are those frameworks achieving, in the round, the best value for society? Price is-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are going to assemble the information over the next month or two. We will then have a list of 50 organisations, let us say, that had compliance issues. We will have dossiers on all 50, and we will ask the secretariat to streamline them into categories such as those for which there was no Government framework in place or those that involved proprietary products. The contract for the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: No. In the first letter we are asking for a detailed breakdown on everything that is covered. We are going to get the full breakdown of all the non-compliance in the first batch of letters. When we get the batch of letters back, we will stream them into-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. We are including everything that has come before us.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Obviously. We will assemble the information. Then it will be quite easy to bring both of them in to discuss it and deal with the issues arising.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: To assist us?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Years ago the Committee of Public Accounts visited this issue. Small stationery suppliers and office suppliers were brought in-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will discuss that. We might ask-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: A small school down the country might be getting a delivery of stationery from Dublin. The local stationery shop is not getting the contract. I know that the price has to be right but there is a bit of displacement going on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: These are the issues to which we will return but we will assemble the information first.

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