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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Obviously. We will assemble the information. Then it will be quite easy to bring both of them in to discuss it and deal with the issues arising.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: To assist us?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Years ago the Committee of Public Accounts visited this issue. Small stationery suppliers and office suppliers were brought in-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will discuss that. We might ask-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: A small school down the country might be getting a delivery of stationery from Dublin. The local stationery shop is not getting the contract. I know that the price has to be right but there is a bit of displacement going on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: These are the issues to which we will return but we will assemble the information first.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We can ask the office for that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: In the meantime, we will ask the Office of Government Procurement to give us an outline of those. That is helpful.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We have gone back through it all with the secretariat during the week. The NTMA and the HSE were in before the summer. We are going back and catching them all. I thank Mr. McCarthy for that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a balancing issue. From looking at this issue previously I am aware that Ireland, which is the only island economy in the EU, ends up placing more of its contracts outside the State than other EU countries do. In France 98% or 99% of all contracts given out by public bodies go to French companies. It is the same in Germany, Spain and Italy. Ireland, however, is taking a lazy...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will move on from this. I remind members of where we can achieve results. Some years ago we had only one of the 17 education and training boards getting its accounts in within three months of the year end. We brought them all up, went through them one by one and put four of the ETBs in front of us. Hey presto, the following year every one of the ETBs' accounts were in on time. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will write to them and ask for a detailed breakdown. We asked about that last week. We will double-check and see if they have answered this arising from last week's meeting. If they have not answered that question, we will put it on the list.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: When we get the information back, we will take it up with the respective operators.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will write to them. We did not ask about the income from advertising on the various bus shelters and who gets it. We will ask the question. We were shocked to discover at a meeting last week that the majority of the staff in the NTA are outsourced and on contract. We have never met a State organisation where the majority of the day-to-day staff are not direct employees. The NTA has a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is an organisation that is in existence for ten years. We got shocked at that and we asked for a breakdown. This is what I am shocked at. On page 20 of this letter, it states the current employee headcount is 118, which costs €8.7 million. That is an average of €73,728 per employee. That includes PRSI, superannuation and everything that might go with that. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: What page are you on?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is the strategic resource plan 2019 to 2020, which was only completed this summer.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: So, it has been deteriorating.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is outrageous

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Our job is to look after taxpayers’ money.

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