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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I am sorry. Why did a settlement arise? That is the question. Why was there a need to pay an additional payment - a settlement, as the C and AG points out? Why was a settlement paid at the conclusion of a fixed-term contract? It is a reasonable question.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I have limited time. I am very unhappy we do not have an answer to that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: It is a very reasonable question. Turning to the failure to secure €250,000 from private insurers as a result of late payments, does Ms Nugent have a response to that?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Is it likely that any of this €250,000 might be recouped in a future year?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Which office has responsibility overall for this claim process?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: The CEO referenced third parties. Third parties are necessarily part of that process - I understand that - but the responsibility to claim the amounts falls with CHI. Why did that not take place?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: They were issued to the insurers.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Was it the case that some documents were missing from third parties and others were available?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Some €250,0000 is a very substantial amount of money. We have all returned things late, but it is a whopping waste of public money.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: There must be a process for following up with the third parties.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: There must be penalties for third parties not complying with that. There has to be a better process than losing €250,000.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Is Mr. Fitzpatrick saying that there is no sanction or ability to compel? CHI is entirely dependent on the third party and, therefore, it is likely to arise again.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Ultimately, if they fail to provide the documentation-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: And the State loses money.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That is not acceptable. It is not acceptable that a State body with responsibility for controlling public money would be entirely reliant on third parties not accountable to this body. There has to be a better system put in place for that. That is a question.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: There is one other issue I wish to raise. I will allow my colleagues to take up that point because I think a number of them will want to. Regarding-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Sorry, Chair. I thought you would give me a notice.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Apologies. I will be very brief. Regarding the orthopaedic operations that were discussed, what legal provisions are being put in place for potential claims? What costs has CHI incurred as a result of carrying out the review? Is the cost with any third parties, consultancy firms and so on?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: What does Ms Nugent expect it to be?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Is the auditor operating within a budget?

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