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Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am concerned that we are seeing an evading of questions by the witness. There is a clear apportionment of money-----

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Will the Chairman allow me to finish? We have a clear apportionment of money going back retrospectively for the care provided to Grace. We are free to make an interpretation in that regard based on what is before us. I have put it to Mr. O'Brien that my interpretation, which he did not accept, is that this clearly amounts to an acknowledgement that the HSE had not funded the care provider...

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: This is a public session in which we are practising openness and accountability, not the pedantry we referred to earlier.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am not straying beyond anything here.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien has already given his answer.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am asking, first, about the cost of the report. My second question relates to Mr. O'Brien's statement that the organisation in question was not treated either unfairly or disproportionately when compared with other similarly funded organisations. The service provider had a particular extra responsibility and, as such, was not comparable with other organisations. That is the point my...

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I will be guided by the Chairman but I remain of the view that we should be discussing this point in public session.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I have said all I needed to say.

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am going to give Mr. O'Brien a rest for a moment and just ask questions to the Department of Health. Mr. O'Brien signed a statement on internal financial control on 16 May 2017. There are 17 pages, and they point out serious issues to the Department. The statement points out the problems quite openly to the Department of Health. What is the response of the Department of Health to that...

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Could Mr. Dempsey try to spell that out for me? The statement was issued in May. Has Mr. Dempsey read the 17 pages?

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Therefore, he sees the serious issues that are being highlighted throughout, certainly in the last five pages. There are serious concerns over governance and so on. I will not read them out because I have only five minutes. Mr. Dempsey has seen and read the statement. What has he done about it?

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: How many times has Mr. Dempsey met the management of the health executive in regard to this very significant statement?

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Does Mr. Dempsey accept there is a serious problem, notwithstanding the effort? I appreciate that progress has been made since last year. I have last year's information. I understand that Mr. O'Brien and the HSE have made some progress. The summary of the internal audit findings has been read out to Mr. Dempsey, however. There are serious issues. There are serious issues raised by the...

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: My next point is for Mr. Michael Flynn, and it is on internal audit. I would also like to say "Well done" to the internal audit unit in regard to Console. At the time, I read the information in detail. It was very detailed. I am a little concerned, however, that Mr. Flynn is talking about potentially systemic issues. I have come here without the relevant document but I read it last...

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Just let me finish my question. It was systemic. Every single recommendation was read, and nearly every recommendation was also directed at the health executive. What has been done in this regard? Is Mr. Flynn satisfied the recommendations for the health executive have been acted on?

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Has Mr. Flynn had extra staff since that internal audit?

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The same level. Has Mr. Flynn asked for extra staff?

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: My colleague asked Mr. Flynn about the number of audits. There were 19. They were targeted audits.

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Which? Of the results here-----

Public Accounts Committee: Report of Comptroller and Auditor General 2016
Chapter 19 - Management and Oversight of Grants to Health Agencies
(26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: In 2016-17, the organisation started to engage in random audits. Why is it not doing more random audits?

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