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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: The next set of questions will be from Deputy Jack Chambers who will be followed by Deputy Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, Senator Martin Conway, Deputy Alan Kelly, and Senator Lorraine Clifford-Lee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: That is a prohibitive project, as we have already heard.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: It is what the deputy commissioner feels comfortable in answering.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Deputy Ó Laoghaire, I cannot help you there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Deputy Ó Laoghaire. The Deputy's particular focus on this issue highlights what was stated earlier in that some things may not have changed. It is important for Garda management to take that on board.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: However, the Garda would not have had all of the salient information at that time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I would concur with the Deputy if he thought that was "Yes". I call Senator Conway.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: In fairness, that is Crowe Horwath's view but Senator Conway has a different focus.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Maybe the Senator might like to address the question to another member of the panel. However, will he allow Mr. O'Sullivan to finish his response?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I must bring to Senator Conway's attention that a division has been called in the Seanad.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: No, I assure the Senator that I do not want to get rid of him at all.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: There is an interesting revelation. Would the Senator like to proceed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I do not think Senator Martin Conway is suggesting in his questioning that it has been the case, but he is underlining his view and a significant swathe of public opinion and concern about the fact that all of this has happened. Its extent has been shocking. People with the confidence of a lifetime in An Garda Síochána have been left reeling and are questioning that confidence....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Will the Senator, please, let the deputy commissioner finish?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: The Chairman will invite him to contribute. On that note, I welcome him back.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: To clarify, for both Deputy Alan Kelly and Mr. Nugent, it is not a direct conversation. Questions and responses should be directed through the Chair. We will maintain decorum.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Maybe Deputy Kelly was not here at the time. I am sorry about that but perhaps the witnesses would clarify that for the Deputy. My understanding was that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Yes, but in terms of the first question the response, as I recall, was in the negative in each case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Issues: An Garda Síochána (7 Dec 2017)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: That is my understanding of the response.

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