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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: What kind of money is involved?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Not in a particular company, but in that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I have just a few questions. We will have a second round, and Deputy Stanley will be back in a few minutes. As regards the local property tax, my big issue is how it is distributed. There was a baseline survey. It has nothing to do with Revenue. Essentially, however, the distribution discriminates against areas that have growing populations and gives an advantage to areas that are...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I will get it for you.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. If there is not a general problem, I will just send the example to you.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Fine. I wanted to ask you about the domicile levy. It was introduced in 2010 and, if I remember correctly, I think there were a little over 20 - it might have been 25 - people liable. I understand that that number is decreasing now. How many are we talking about?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Do the Revenue Commissioners have open interventions with people at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: As regards people who go off to work in the Middle East and try to get a deposit for a house, nobody is trying to apply a tax to people in that kind of category. It is really high-net-worth individuals-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: During the Covid pandemic and the resulting restrictions, concessions were made. Did anything show up during that time?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I would love to see those letters.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: As a consequence, was there anyone who ended up within the system who did not qualify?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: As regards money that has been in another jurisdiction being repatriated for people who may have been in NAMA, is that something you will look at?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: That is not really what I am-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It is unlikely to have a Revenue implication because they could write it off against-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: What I am trying to get at is a very small number of people who, on the face of it, would have lost everything in the crash and who then, suddenly, are quite wealthy again and how that happened. It is that kind of category of person that I am----- Our interest is in whether there are tax implications. Often there are and sometimes there are not.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I was completely confident online. The system is so user-friendly and is incredibly easy to use. I have helped a few people out with getting online. I have used the system myself and have got to say it is a genuine example of a really good automated system that is user-friendly. I take the point that the Chair has made on people who are not comfortable with technology. It may be that...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: All the information is available. It is really only a question of double-checking that what is on the screen is right and clicking a box. Uploading medical receipts is really user-friendly and easy. It is encouraging people. Very often, people are a little concerned because they might end up with a tax bill rather than a refund, but the system really works and should be complimented. ...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: So it is well worth having the unit.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: When someone is writing an article, it is required that it be substantial enough, and that is-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Account of the Receipt of the Revenue of the State collected by the Revenue Commissioners 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 20 - Assessment and Collection of Local Property Tax
Chapter 21 - Revenues Tax Debt Warehousing Scheme
Chapter 22 - Corporation Tax Losses
(25 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I will return to a point Mr. Cody made about the increase in work with regard to customs. The land bridge is pretty much the real issue. Some of that would have gone through customs in the UK and now we are seeing a larger volume by virtue of the fact that the land bridge is being avoided because of Brexit. Mr. Cody talked about the increase in the number of customs officials. Does he...

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