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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: There is another committee meeting next door which is complaining about the European Union bullying the banks. Now Mr. O'Driscoll is saying we were bullied in agriculture. I cannot resist making the comparison.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: Is that figure included in the Department's Estimates for this year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: That is, the interest cost. To finish on the superlevy, I ask the Department to supply a breakdown of the number of farmers affected by a levy of €5,000 or less, between €5,000 and €10,000 and so on. It must have all of these statistics, but I do not want to delay the meeting by asking the witnesses to read the figures. I ask that they supply the data to the committee...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: If 6,000 farmers are carrying a debt of €69 million, it averages out at a sum of around €10,000 per farmer. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: That is a serous amount of money for those affected. The tragedy is that they are probably our most progressive farmers, the ones who are trying to expand and produce more.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: On page 3 of the appropriation accounts I was surprised to read that the Department was in breach of national procurement guidelines to the tune of €5 million in 19 specific cases, or an average of €263,000 per case. In addition, there are other local historical supplier arrangements that are outside national procurement guidelines. Of the 19 cases referred to, what was the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: I will not ask Mr. O'Driscoll to repeat himself.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: On farm inspections, I received a reply to a parliamentary question from the Department yesterday. In cross-compliance inspections in 2014, of which there were 1,368, 26% of farms were given a clean bill of health, with no breaches; on 36% of farms there were minor breaches, with no financial penalty, while on 38% of farms there were breaches involving penalties. There were 4,743...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: For what year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: What is the amount per annum and does the Department have a contingent liability included in its figures?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: Have we paid any of the €180 million fine?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: We have not paid any of the fines since 2008. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: Under cross-compliance-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: What is it based on?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: That is extrapolated based on the Department's sample. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: This is what I am coming at. Is Mr. O'Driscoll saying the Department has collected the fines from the farmer, but the State has not paid the money to Europe yet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: What does that mean? They pay it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: No, they pay the money to the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: Does the Department submit that onwards?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Seán Fleming: My question is as simple as this. Cross-compliance inspections are done in 1% of farms. That is the figure Mr. O'Driscoll read out. It amounts to 1,368, and 38% of these had fines. Does Europe not say to the Department that the figure should be extrapolated to everywhere else? In the other area there is a 5% inspection figure. The Department does 5,000 or 6,000 inspections and finds...

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