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Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: I thank the Cathaoirleach, and I welcome the opportunity to be here this evening. The Minister, Deputy McGrath, has already acknowledged the importance of the SPU in our annual budgetary cycle. From an expenditure perspective, it allows us to take stock of the significant and continued investment in our day-to-day public services and infrastructure, and outlines, on a no policy change...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: The aftermath of the pandemic, the impact of the war in Ukraine, supply chain challenges and rising price pressures have all had such an impact on our public services, our households, our people and our businesses. We very much recognise these challenges and the Government has responded. Non-core spending allowed the Government to put in place measures towards mitigating these challenges....

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: That is correct.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: That was done because, in conjunction with the Minister for Finance, we made the decision to move off the 5% expenditure rule for 2023 in recognition of the exceptional pressures we were facing and because the financing of the social welfare package, in particular, comes out of core expenditure rather than non-core expenditure. That led to the change in the level of planned expenditure for...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: I will get that information for the Deputy in one moment and I will be able to give him the breakdown of the €700 million. Of course, the 7.4% to which he referred earlier is our planned expenditure growth for 2023 versus the outturn for-----

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: It is just worth emphasising that the planned core expenditure growth for the year is 5.9% so, looking at the figures we announced on budget day, it was planned growth of 5.9%. It is important to say that because it puts into context the scope of change versus the expenditure rule we had before the decision was made.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: To answer the Deputy's question about the €700 million, it is €500 million in Covid, mainly health, supports and €200 million for the national recovery and resilience plan, NRRP. There is no provision in it, obviously, for Ukraine, and the reason for that is that those non-core reserves were set before the outbreak of the war.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes, there was, and I will give the Deputy the breakdown.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: Because this is done on a no-policy-change basis. The Minister for Finance has not yet made the decision on the overall expenditure ceiling, and we have some work to do before we get to that point. The Government, only prior to the SPU, had determined a non-core figure for 2023, and the non-core figure for 2023 of that €5.2 billion includes €1.6 billion for Ukraine and...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: I am just trying to finish answering the Deputy's question.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: I was just concluding. We want to be clear and have a better understanding of the number of people who will be moving into our country next year. I think a few more months of data, as the Minister, Deputy McGrath, said just a moment ago, will help us in doing that.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: Just in case there is-----

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: -----any inference in the Deputy's question that we were not going to do this-----

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: -----I will remind the Deputy of what he already knows, which is that this is done on a no-policy-change basis.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: I will get those figures for the Deputy now and come back to him on them.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: Out of the €4.3 billion of expenditure growth that is anticipated in 2024, approximately €2.5 billion of that is based on ELS.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: Managing spending demands in the context of a surplus, and putting in place public spending plans for next year that can help the vulnerable and at the same time avoid contributing to our economy overheating-----

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Ministers for Finance, and Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (26 Apr 2023)

Paschal Donohoe: I would like to make a few points about what Deputy Boyd Barrett said. I agree with every word the Minister, Deputy McGrath, just said. Capital expenditure is also recurring. I have noticed a new concept of non-recurring capital expenditure come in over last the week. I have rarely come across examples in which you can decrease capital expenditure easily. It is important to keep in mind...

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