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Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: The company has not exited NAMA at all.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: Okay. That was a particular allegation.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: Yes. We would all like to-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: The minute Mr. McDonagh heard the allegation, he took the matter seriously and wrote to the Garda Commissioner to ask for an investigation.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: We will move on. I was concerned by the mention of wrongdoing, particularly the allegation made by a Member of the Oireachtas, and I wanted to air the matter with the witnesses. I wish to ask about NAMA's presentation to the committee today so that people can get a fix on NAMA's overall situation. We could address a large number of issues exclusively, but I just want a picture. Instead...

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: Those figures were not in the summary Mr. McDonagh gave us today. NAMA paid €3 billion in interest so far. What is the average interest rate being paid?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: The next question I want to ask concerns the €23.5 billion in disposals to date. In respect of the actual disposals - those loans are gone now - what impairment had NAMA against them? In other words, what was the book value of NAMA's actual disposals to date? I am not talking about the book value in the banks but am saying the €23.5 billion was realised by NAMA on a certain...

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: That is in respect of the assets NAMA still has. I am talking about the assets disposed of by NAMA that led to the receipt of the €23.5 billion. I am referring to the current impairment. I will come to Mr. McDonagh's point in a moment.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: Since inception, given the €23.5 billion, what was the impairment on that? What was the book value of those loans?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: In 2014 alone.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: Cumulative.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: I wish to understand this. Mr. McDonagh is saying NAMA has sold two thirds of its portfolio, by and large, and had only €600 million-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: But Mr. McDonagh is telling us NAMA has €14 billion left. What is the impairment?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: So how could NAMA have five times the impairment on the 40% or the 35% of its portfolio?

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: Can we reasonably expect - one probably has to be a bit prudent on this - that the current cumulative impairment value of €3 billion or €4 billion-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: Will most of that be written back in terms of surplus based on the fact that NAMA sold two thirds of its portfolio to date and has had only €600 million of a realised impairment? Is there a lot of reserve accounting-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McDonagh said a moment ago to Deputy Perry that NAMA has about €7 billion to repay on its bonds.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: We will move on. Mr. McDonagh might send us a summary for each of the five financial years on the book value of what NAMA sold compared with the actual amount generated, and the value of the crystallised impairment.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: I did not see it. Perhaps Mr. McDonagh has it to hand.

Public Accounts Committee: National Asset Management Agency: Financial Statements 2014 (Resumed) (1 Oct 2015)

Seán Fleming: What page? I will look at it.

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