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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: For the record, what was the increase last year compared with 2021?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Does the Department expect a similar number for 2023?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Is it likely we will get to December and might have up to 40,000 people in emergency accommodation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: On that number, people exit in two ways. There are either granted protection or their application is denied. How many applications reached that conclusion in 2022 and are expected to do so in 2023?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Even if that was brought up to 100 a month, we would we talking about maybe 1,000 or 1,500 leaving-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: -----but with the potential for 15,000 to flow into the system.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: In the scramble for accommodation to accommodate the 15,000, is there also an equal challenge, which perhaps we are not seeing yet, to increase the capacity to process applications?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Accommodation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I will stick with the patterns and where they might go. Does Mr. McCarthy believe the proposed changes in the UK had a significant impact on the flow into the Republic?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: To help us understand that, traditionally, people claimed asylum at a port or airport. What percentage of applicants are making claims at ports and airports versus those who do not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Is Mr. McCarthy saying that up to 60% may be-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: If Mr. McCarthy is saying more than half-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Up to 60% of people claiming asylum are not doing so in a port or airport.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Given we have not seen 7,000 or 8,000 people land on beaches around the country and so on, that implies the only other entry point is across the Border.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Given it is the stated objective of everybody, almost universally in this House, not to have a hard border on the island, I am not suggesting that in any way, that leaves a very significant challenge if we do not know the source of arrival for more than half of our applications.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: As the UK is outside the EU, I imagine the Dublin Agreement does not apply there in that case. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Ireland would be the first country of entry from the EU perspective.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: We are getting to an area that I did not want to get to but which we need to try to understand because this impacts the whole service delivery and how we project where the demands will be. There will probably be more work to do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay. There is no monitoring or hard data on which Mr. McCarthy can put his finger?

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