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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Is a handling fee of 35% being charged by any other organisation in the country? I have never heard of any other company charging a fee of 35% for one payment, and 35% each time. Would you not accept that you should have raised queries in relation to that barter account?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Now-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Is it under finance control now?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Every item that goes through it can be clearly identified and, as a result, there is full accountability.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: In the last ten years, how much money has gone through the barter account?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: This was in ten years.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Why not use a normal payments system, rather than going through the barter account in this particular case? Why was there all the secrecy on this?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Having spoken about the commercial sector, regarding the raising of credit notes, who has the authority to do this?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Any divisional director, therefore, can raise a credit note. Do they have to consult with the finance department?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Would they set out the detail as to why a credit note is being issued?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: We are talking about a credit note here of €75,000. Surely there must be a system in place. If giving a credit note to somebody for €75,000, surely Mr. Collins as the financial controller should understand what that credit note is for.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Any other organisation in the country: €75,000, no problem, just sign on the dotted line and we will give you the credit note.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Can we get a hold of the details of every payment made into that account and details of what it was used for over the last ten years?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: That will be made available to us. I would like to ask the director of commercial, Ms Geraldine O'Leary, about the barter account. I know it was accepted practice to use a barter account but did she see a need at any stage for legal advice about the use of that account?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Did it occur to Ms O'Leary that even though it might have been practice - many cases are going through the High Court - something might have been practised within an organisation for a long number of years but might not necessarily be legal? Did it ever occur to Ms O'Leary that she should look for legal advice about how this matter was being dealt with?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Regarding the legal adviser, was Ms Mullooly aware of the existence of the barter account? When did she become aware of it?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Moneys were going out - surely someone at some stage would have looked to Ms Mullooly for legal advice?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Many questions are arising out of the evidence given yesterday and today. Can I take it from the chair that everyone who made themselves available will be available, should the committee require anyone to come back in?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Will Ms Ní Raghallaigh make absolutely sure that occurs and that we will not be left in limbo and unable to get answers to further questions we might want to ask?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Ms Ní Raghallaigh will undertake to do that. On reorganisation, given what has occurred, is a process now going to be set in place to put in proper structures to make sure something like this does not happen again?

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