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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is approximately €1.257 billion committed to date and the witnesses will send a detailed breakdown of it.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: The job of the Committee of Public Accounts is to get to the bottom of the financial statements.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: It was one of the main issues I wanted to raise. This concerns capital commitments and the project moving on for the next few years. The breakdown of phase A is to be provided, although the witnesses have said it was part of the main contract at the end of the day. I will have to go to the chairman of the children's hospital project programme board for the next answer. Mr. Barry is only...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: He said that is the budget agreed and it is hoped to come in on budget, subject to what we have discussed. I will not rehash that. It will be subject to assumptions. There is a clear implication that there are other costs associated with the children's hospital not in the construction contract. Will Mr. Breslin start telling us what else will be in there to get this children's hospital up...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay. The €1.433 billion figure has been subject to quite a bit of interrogation. Mr. Barry is smiling as I say that. The other costs have not been subject to any interrogation here at all. Today, we have dealt with the €1.7 billion. In meeting members of the board, we have only focused on the bare costs. This committee has never had a discussion on the €293 million...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Who makes up the peer review group?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms Hardiman stated that the records of 1.2 million children would be on the system.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask Ms Hardiman to send us a detailed briefing on that, rather than taking up the time of the meeting at this hour in the afternoon. It is the one issue that we have not discussed as a committee, other than those quick figures we got the last time. Representatives from the HSE will appear before the committee in a few minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will conclude this session because some of the HSE people are waiting outside. I know we ran a bit longer, but it was an issue people wanted to talk about. I thank our guests from NPHDB, the Department of Health, the HSE, and CHI for their attendance. Further information is to come through.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are joined by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr. Seamus McCarthy, who is a permanent witness to the committee, and by Ms Ruth Foley, deputy director of audit, at the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General. We are meeting the HSE to discuss the accounts of the public service for 2018 and, in particular, chapter 15 of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report, which deals...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Apologies, I left a file outside. I ask Deputy Aylward to take the Chair while I collect some files from my office. I will be back in a moment.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. McCarthy. We have received Mr. Reid's opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank the CEO. The first speaker this afternoon is Deputy Aylward.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I just want to put two questions. I might have to leave in a few minutes so I might ask Deputy Catherine Murphy to take the chair for the last few minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will only be a moment. Our guests can send the information on, rather than answering the questions here, although they might give me a quick response. The HSE provides approximately 19 million hours of home care per annum.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will call it 18 million hours. The budget provided for approximately 1 million additional home care hours next year. How many hours have been approved for home care for people on waiting lists? Do the witnesses understand what I am saying? The committee gets letters-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: The HSE has invented its own language. For example, "moratorium" means one thing to everyone else and something different to the HSE. One can be approved for home care and find oneself on a waiting list. The HSE has invented a new vocabulary. How many people are on waiting lists?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: The opening statement mentioned approximately 7,000 people.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does that mean there are 3,500 people approved for home care who will not get it next year but will have to wait until the following year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Development of Primary Care Centres
(5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask the witnesses to send the committee a detailed breakdown on the number of these who will be new patients. They can send that in writing because everyone will get it if they send it in writing in due course.

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