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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: I thank Mr. Conlon. Before I go to the committee members I will briefly raise two matters. First, Ms Murphy in her conclusion talked about the current position regarding the directive. I ask her to give a very brief overview to the committee of this process and the timelines surrounding the directive. I wish to address Mr. Conlon on the second matter and then I will open the discussion...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: As I said, I do not want to have the meeting bogged down in the matter, but Mr. Conlon made those points and we would like to see the numbers to support them. I do not want to hold the meeting up. Does Ms Murphy wish to comment on the timeline surrounding the directive?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: I understand quite well that it might be difficult to have such figures at a meeting, but the members would like to be able to scrutinise those referrals because certainly the anecdotal evidence from the LES is that there has been a significant reduction in referrals to it. Mr. Conlon stated specifically on two occasions that JobPath was not negatively impacting the LES. The committee would...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: Mr. Conlon can send us a note on that, for which I thank him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: The Senator's time is up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: I thank the Senator. Before I bring Mr. Conlon back in, I will allow a brief supplementary question from Deputy O'Dea.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: There are a significant number of questions so I hope Mr. Conlon got them all. One question he might answer very directly was that raised by Senator Higgins on a technical issue. We know the JobPath companies get paid on a phased basis. The questions was whether the signing of a personal progression plan triggers a payment at that point. Mr. Conlon might address that directly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: If there is anything of a technical nature Mr. Conlon does not have here, he is more than welcome to submit that by means of correspondence. We would prefer to have it factually correct.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: If Mr. Conlon cannot answer that directly, he might get the details of it and respond in writing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: Excuse me. There are a significant number of questions. I want to give Mr. Conlon that opportunity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: On the particular case of Mr. X, can Deputy Smith blank out the names and can we have it as an example in order to have a written reply from the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: No, we can do it afterwards. Is the Deputy prepared to do that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: I would like Mr. Conlon to look at that case as an example, without the name of the individual, and he might address that issue for the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: Is it the person's signature that triggers the payment for the JobPath company?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: Let us not get bogged down. I think it is fair to say that it would be extremely unusual for a payment to be made without a signed personal progression plan. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: There are many more issues to be dealt with. In that context, members should allow Mr. Conlon to proceed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: We do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: I thank Mr. Conlon for that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: One second, please, Senator.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (8 Mar 2018)

John Curran: I will allow Deputy Brady to comment on the same issue briefly. I thank Senator Higgins.

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