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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I want to come in on this because a few things need to be clarified. Over the past six or seven months vets have called meetings in hotels throughout the country. We see vets giving us biscuits and sandwiches and all different stuff while they tell us what is coming down the line. It was made very clear to farmers in many places throughout the country that vets would be calling out to the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Who looks at the legal opinion? Is it the veterinary section or is there a senior counsel involved?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: So the Attorney General is going to look at the opinion? Is the veterinary section not going to be looking at it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Is it the Attorney General or legal services?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Why would the Minister of State decide not to take it to the Attorney General to get an opinion on it and instead get legal services in the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine to look at it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I understand that, but would the Minister of State not make sure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Will the Minister of State give an undertaking to the committee that he will do that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I do not know the answer to this question, so the Minister of State might educate me. Is the legal services team in the Department made up of solicitors or barristers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Dr. Corkery made a point earlier that the HPRA was on about antiparasitic resistance. When did it become a problem as far as the Minister of State is aware?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: In 2014, Dr. O'Shaughnessy wrote a report about the serious problem with antiparasitic resistance. It was roughly around the same time that the Brits wanted us to chip in with them, according to my understanding, in going the way that they were going to make sure that basically the competent person could give out the medicines. There was a Department document written at that stage that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Just to be clear, the report referred to a high level of antiparasitic resistance.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It took them five years to do that, did it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I thank the Minister of State, Deputy Heydon, for coming in. I have a few short questions. I have worked on cross-country pipelines. One does a way leaves, roadway or whatever one wants for different types of work and construction. If one is doing a way leave one could be going through 20 to 100 different farms. It could be 100 m wide or 50 m wide, depending on the job one is doing. The...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Say we went through-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Yes. For instance, if one went from Clane to Leixlip cross-country-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It still needs water or whatever.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: One needs to put a pipe underneath, so one is taking out a 50 m way leave.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: One is disturbing the ground and one has to put it back. The contractor has the job of reinstating it. It has to be put back the way it was.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: One has to fence it and do everything. What I am asking the Minister of State is who is accountable for that fertiliser? Is it the contractor or is it farmers on the individual land? The contractor-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Yes. The contractor has to put that ground back to what it was and give it back to the farmer.

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