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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: They can then be circulated to every member.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: We will be moving to that decision in a moment. Before we conclude with Mr. Martin, in relation to a question I posed to the Ombudsman earlier on the moneys provided in order to fund the redress scheme, am I correct in understanding that the availability remains and in the event of a favourable decision, which we wish for, a further provision would not be required?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: The sum of €50 million was mentioned.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Clearly not. The likelihood of course is that many of those involved would probably have depended on social protection payments in any event and would thereby qualify for a medical card in the normal course - that these were not necessarily consequential on the fact that they qualified under the terms of the redress scheme.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Okay. I thank Mr. Martin and Ms O'Keeffe for attending and for their contribution. It was very informative. It would be remiss of me in concluding if I were not to say to them that we are anxious to be kept informed of progress. We hope the exercise is expedited with all the necessary compassion and understanding. Perhaps it may be open to reconsideration in terms of the brief the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I do not think it is necessary for us to go into private session. Does Deputy Chambers concur?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: If we had to go into private session I would have had to ask all our visitors to leave and that is an unnecessary exercise so I have taken the Chair's prerogative and said we have made this decision. I thank Mr. Martin and Ms O'Keeffe. I invite Mr. Tyndall and his colleagues to join us for a very brief interaction. We are talking about a maximum of 15 minutes. Is that agreed by members?...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Yes, Mr. Tyndall will address the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Does the Ombudsman wish to comment, having listened to our engagement with the Department officials? It is important that we do not personalise our remarks. The officials are here to represent the Department. We respect them and know that it is not easy to face the difficult questioning that has been put to them. They are not the authors of this situation. Does the Ombudsman want to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: On Sean McDermott Street in Dublin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Mr. Tyndall. I call Deputy Clare Daly who will be followed by Deputy Jack Chambers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Administration of Magdalen Restorative Justice Scheme: Report of Ombudsman (31 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I do not think there are any further questions. In looking back over the different documents and information, I am reminded of a remark made by the former Secretary General of the Department, Mr. Noel Waters, regarding Mr. Tyndall's findings. He stated that the Ombudsman's adverse findings demonstrated "a fundamental misunderstanding of the scheme" on the part of the Ombudsman. I would...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Business of Joint Committee (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I remind members to switch off their mobile phones as they interfere with the recording equipment. No apologies have been received. We will go into private session briefly to deal with some housekeeping matters before commencing our scrutiny of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: We will resume in public session. The purpose of today's engagement is to conduct detailed scrutiny of the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017, which is sponsored by our committee colleague, Deputy Jim O'Callaghan. The format of the meeting is that Deputy O'Callaghan will be invited to make an opening statement and that be followed by a question-and-answer session. We will then...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Deputy O'Callaghan. The protocol is that questions may be asked of Deputy O'Callaghan at this juncture, following his opening remarks. The opportunity is there as with any occasion. Alternatively, would he prefer to proceed to hear the witnesses?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: That is fine. I thank Deputy O'Callaghan for outlining the Bill today and for his briefing note on it. Have all witnesses and members received a copy of that? The note puts the Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill into context for our discussions. Normally we would have to suspend to allow our witnesses to take their seats but they have beaten us to it. I welcome from the Equality and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Ms McElwee. I give members the opportunity to contribute. Not surprisingly, Deputy O'Callaghan is the first to indicate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Deputy O'Callaghan's contribution did not contain a specific question that I could turn to the panel. However, Deputy Ó Laoghaire has focused particularly on a couple of areas. As his first question was addressed to IBEC, Ms McElwee and Ms Harkin might like to respond. He also brought IBEC into the second question that I will then put to the representatives of the Equality and Rights...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I apologise for interrupting, but I can pick it up in my ear - someone's phone is not in the "off" position. There is a little interference and I do not want Ms McElwee's response in the recording to be in any way interfered with. Just to be on the safe side, people might check their phones, as we are picking up a little interference in the background.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2017: Discussion (24 Jan 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: There you are. You can all hear it now.

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