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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: It went back into the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will go back for the answer. The letter also said there is no profit as the uncommitted reserve in the transport management charge element of the cost would only be used for school transport. However, the previous letter says it returned money to the Department which was not used for school transport. It returned it. Since 1975, when was this refund made to the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Had there been previous returns?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Over how many years?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay. We are going to ask the Department to give us the straightforward history on a year-by-year basis since the scheme was introduced of the amounts that were returned to the Department. If it has happened five or six times since the scheme started it is a normal event and we will take that. If it had never happened before and only got highlighted, that would mean Bus Éireann was...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: My question is this. Had the Comptroller and Auditor General not done that report, is it possible that this would not have been referred and that it would still be sitting in Bus Éireann's account? That is my point.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: If the Comptroller and Auditor General had not done the report and identified that, a sum would have been still sitting in Bus Éireann's account. It should not take the actions of the Comptroller and Auditor General. It has independent auditors and the Department is over the scheme. There was no compulsion on the Comptroller and Auditor General to do the report. Had he not chosen to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, we do not.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is not unusual for that Department.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We do not have a response. Am I correct that the Valuation Office is under the remit of the Department of Justice and Equality?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will. What we are trying to establish is the amount that each local authority received last year in respect of water assets.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: What was the total for last year?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: For all global valuations or just Irish Water?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: The global valuation amount was €203 million. That translated into €46 million in cash when the local multipliers were applied. Where can we get the list of what Irish Water is paying?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: The correspondence states:Irish Water was designated as a public utility undertaking for the purposes of the Valuation Acts for the first time in 2019 and was recently valued as such. Details of its global valuation are set out in the Central Valuation List. We have that list here. Does that not indicate that it should have paid rates for 2019? Did the Department pay the rates for 2019?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will write to Irish Water and the Commission for Regulation of Utilities, which has a direct hand in all these financial matters. This is a commercial issue for Irish Water. I do not believe this could have been done without the regulator's agreement. We will ask the regulator in case either organisation is slow in giving us the information. Some local authorities have already passed...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: The central valuation list in this document produced by the Valuation Office shows Irish Water's valuation at €203 million. We will ask Irish Water and the regulator the actual payment schedule for 2020 for each local authority. We will ask the Department for an update. As the Deputy said, there were developments on the matter this week.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is a policy issue of long standing. We have had various Bills on global valuation and the Valuation Office over the years. The logic is that the other way of doing it is to have the Valuation Office value every single asset in every individual local authority one by one. The Government felt that was an excessive use of resources at the time. It said to do a valuation and that this...

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